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    Posted: 27 Aug 09 at 10:06am

Originally posted by G.R.F.


.... like the wind wanting to pass from water on to land at right
angles ..

Interesting and usefull post GRF, but I though the oft quoted line above had been shown to be a myth. Quoted by Eric Twiname in "Start To Win", but debunked elswhere.

Im sure there was a thread on it here a couple of years ago.

 

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Wind Strategy is excellent, so is Start to Win, then also the newish Tactics, by Mark Rushall.

Most important of all is to sail a lot, keep a diary/training log, then sell all the info to me ready for the contender worlds in Weymouth in 2011
the same, but different...

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Or in similar circumstances in the 600 last night swing in and out like an acrobat and play the main sail continuously hoping that when you do get the odd tack in you didn't get youtself speeding off on a big header.
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one nice easy method of getting a general idea of whether there are any significant wind bends is to tack up the middle of the beat watching compass angles. If the angles start to change you know the wind is bending/ shifting around somewhere.

Incidentally, today while sailing the 300 in really shifty, gusty conditions it was too tricky to foot off and get speed for long enough before the wind shifted. In short I went into height mode. I managed to get on the wrong side of each shift etc. What do you do in this situation? Is it best to head to nearby boats and watch how they lift/head? Or simply to carry on straight through it all? Im wondering whether sailing the 300 towards wind bends (as opposed to tacking on the headers) is quicker due to the tacking time needed?

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Of course I'm really waiting for Mr Jon Emmett to PM me and
offer to take us out for some top tuition at a special
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Originally posted by G.R.F.


Downhil what were headers are your friend, if it's lifting
as you approach the weather mark and the next mark is dead
down wind then you gybe


See this is where it gets a bit confusing. If we're
approaching the top mark on starboard and getting a nice
lift then the wind must be blowing slightly more from right
to left? Once we round the top mark then surely we stick
with it - actually no I can see it now. If we stick with it
we'll be on a run but if we gybe we'll be on more of a
reach and there for faster.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ellistine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 09 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by G.R.F.

If as i suspect, you're young and
keen


Mmm. Keen definitely. Young, 35? Not so sure but I
properly
wish I started all this at 4 rather than 34. I'll have to
blame the parents for that one.

I'll have to ask the 'crew' for some extra spending money
at the boat show next month. I've got some literature to
purchase.

Thanks Grumpf for the tips. There's some good ones in
there. Keep them coming!

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This could be a long one.

Ist question. How to read the wind.

You may not be able to see it, but you can feel it, use your ears..
Watch the water., Look for obstacles and imagine how the wind will
funnel around them, venturi between, tumble over.. Stand on a cliff some
time and look down on the water in an offshore wind, watch how the
downdraft puffs fan out and realise why a favorable shift can be at two
opposite places at the same time.
Now dinghy folk use other techniques, compasses and the like, tic tacs,
tel tales which I have to confess I haven't got my head round and am still
using windsurf techniques which seem to work o.k. for me anyway.

Watching the fleet, if the boats all start to appear more side on then
you're being lifted if they all move more line astern you're being knocked.

If they are the other side of the course and you're wondering if you're still
ahead or behind, if there's more sea or land appearing in front of them as
you close you're ahead, if it's appearing from behind they have you.
(helps to know how you're doing relative..)

On flat water, you can get to tell if the aproaching gust is going to lift or
knock by watching it as it arrives, (this is a crew thing, just tell her she's
got to learn when a header or lift is approaching, then bollock her for
getting it wrong).

But fundamentally one thing to remember, don't necessarily go for the
boat to boat lift header thing to gain advantage over the crafts next to
you. Go for the tack which is taking you closest the mark.

Downhil what were headers are your friend, if it's lifting as you approach
the weather mark and the next mark is dead down wind then you gybe,

The books talk of oscillating shifts, and progressive shifts, it's more
complicated than that as your wind watching off the top of the cliffs will
show you.

But there are predictable factors that have high probability, like black
puffy rain clouds tending to produce starboard lifts as they pass, like the
summer sun tending to bring an onshore breeze round with it, like the
cliffs at lake garda tending to 'windbend' as the breeze venturis then
expands, like the wind wanting to pass from water on to land at right
angles and producing inshore lifts on the way out..

Experience is what does it and watching and learning from anyone who
bothers to write it down, but always personally evaluate, just because they
wrote the book doesn't always mean they know everything, there are
sooooo many variables..

If as i suspect, you're young and keen, keep a diary of venues and factors
as you go, record the why's, why you won, why you lost, that's what i
used to do, wish i had the damned thing now, long since lost I fear, I
should have written that advance tactics book I promised myself I'd do
one day.. too late now everythings changed..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ham4sand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 09 at 10:23pm
high performance sailing by one of the bethwaites. pretty
heavy reading but is hp bible and has lots on wind strategy
etc...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 09 at 9:46pm
Try reading "wind Strategy"by Donald Houghton and Fiona Campbell. It goes into what the wind does in different situations and although it takes a bit of getting your head round I found it useful.
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