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    Posted: 03 Sep 07 at 10:12am

hi,

i've been looking at a 600 second this weekend, its quite an old boat (672) with an angel mast. the hull is in great condition and so are the sails (there are 2 and one looks brand new). but whilst i was chatting to the owner he mentioned that sometimes when the boat hits a wave the forestay goes so slack that the tenioning block hits the foredeck. is this normal for angel masts or old boats? should i be worried?

edit: also the mast is in need of re-varnishing, any advice on how to do this would be apreciated.



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My brother has a yellow 600 but his has a superspars mast. Before buying a 600 we spoke to RS and they said DO NOT buy a 600 with a angel mast because they over flex and are not as good quality as a superspars one. Also on angel mast the common problem is with the track up the mast which may crack and therefore you will struggle to get the sail up (this happened to my mates pink 600wit a angel).

you can use most international yacht varnish to do your mast and its a fairly simple job.

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There is a reason that lots of cherubs have repaired angel masts How much is it?



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I've had both and they a very different.

I had a contender for a few years and almost immediately could appreciate what a great boat is was. It took very little time to be sailing it relatively close to its potential.

On the other hand the 600 was much harder to sail well (and therefore to fully enjoy). It was fraustrating because I rarely thought that I was anywhere near the its potential

On the rare days when everything went well it was amazing but equally could leave you frustrated (wetand bleeding too !).

I think the boat just needs lots of time to learn to handle it well - if you have that its great.

I think my tale is quite acommon one for the 600 - lots of people never quite got to grips with them and have therefore passeed them on.

The contender appears to gain longer term support.

Neither were great when it was light but the 6 was definitely less ponderous in these conditions. When it was breezy I preferred to contender - esp on the sea.

I'd be very suprised if the tale about about the tensioning block hitting the foredeck in waves was correct unless the rigging was all wrong.

 

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Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

There is a reason that lots of cherubs have repaired angel masts How much is it?



Yeah... it's called Ben Brown (see Cherub class site), who made most of them
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Plus the contender is a hugely sucsesful class, just look at the worlds.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by rich96

I'd be very suprised if the tale about about the tensioning block hitting the foredeck in waves was correct unless the rigging was all wrong.

 

 

Yep- weird, I'd guess the forestay's been replaced with too much wire.... easily remedied though.



Or it could be when the small rig is on, on my mates 600 the tension goes block to block when its on small rig
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 07 at 6:41pm
no the guy said it was on the big rig and the tension block was were it should be until it hit the deck. so should i be worried?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 07 at 7:05pm

If thats there case there must be something fairly major going on.

I never noticed the forestay comimg slack even - however breezy it was.

Perhaps the diamonds are so slack that the mast is over flexing  - still cant see it though.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Sep 07 at 7:34pm
hmmm, perhaps this boat is best avoided then.
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