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    Posted: 07 Aug 07 at 9:37pm

Hi guys,

 

I’m new to this forum and to introduce my self a bit when I was a bit younger I sailed and did some levels (can’t remember which) but they were quite basic. My grandfather used to sail quite competitively and won quite a few things and my uncial owns a 42 foot Bavaria which I go on occasionally and my aunty part owns a 36 foot something so I’m from quite a sailing backround.

 

Any who what I was wondering was, I want to get back into it again and am interested in a small dingy. I don’t know why but a vago really jumps out at me. Probably the XD version.

Basically I want a good value (which is probably one thing the xd isn’t, correct me if I’m wrong) good looking boat which is fairly straight forward but also has room for the sailor to improve.

 

Your input would be greatly appreciated and I’d love to hear form any one who has a vago,

 

Cheers guys

 

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Well, if you look back through the forum you'll see there has been a lot of discusion about the Vago.  Mostly it has been negative but it has often been by people who haven't sailed the boat.

I'm trying to stay objective but I'd have to say the Vago was trumpeted by Laser to be something it isn't.  It is probably a good low maintenance skiff type trainer for teenagers and light adults.  There are plenty of other boats which fit the same category - Laser3000, Topper Buz, the slower 405 and the thoroughbred 29er.  They all have their strengths and weaknesses for instance the Buz could be cheaper 2nd hand and the 405 is easier to sail and slower, the 29er is considerably faster but tricky.

If you fit the bill, light and new to this sort of boat then the Vago might suit.
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Originally posted by redback

Well, if you look back through the forum you'll see there has been a lot of discusion about the Vago.  Mostly it has been negative but it has often been by people who haven't sailed the boat.

I'm trying to stay objective but I'd have to say the Vago was trumpeted by Laser to be something it isn't.  It is probably a good low maintenance skiff type trainer for teenagers and light adults.  There are plenty of other boats which fit the same category - Laser3000, Topper Buz, the slower 405 and the thoroughbred 29er.  They all have their strengths and weaknesses for instance the Buz could be cheaper 2nd hand and the 405 is easier to sail and slower, the 29er is considerably faster but tricky.

If you fit the bill, light and new to this sort of boat then the Vago might suit.

Thanks for that, what do you think of the RS400 btw? Or is it a very hard boat for one person? 

 
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Or maybe actually the RS500? Whats the diference?
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I think you need to focus on what you want out of your boat first before looking at dfifferent classes -

Do you want a single-handed or a double handed that could be sailed single handed or just an outright doublehanded boat.

What type of water do you sail on - lake, estuary, sea

do you want to sail or to race

whereabouts in the country are you and what do they sail at the local club?

How heavy are you?

How physically demanding do you want the boat to be.


Personally I'd recommend going along to your local club (or clubs) and finding out what they sail and why...you might even get a sail if you ask nicely..and this might help you formulate your ideas...

if you've got the time & money then go to minorca sailing and try them all out...



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Originally posted by Avic

Or maybe actually the RS500? Whats the diference?


briefly the RS200 is the double hander hiking boat (no trapeze) for lightweights
the RS400 is the double hander hiking boat for fatties
and the RS500 is a double hander with a single trapeze and a little underpowered/for lightweights..
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Originally posted by Avic

Originally posted by redback

Well, if you look back through the forum you'll see there has been a lot of discusion about the Vago.  Mostly it has been negative but it has often been by people who haven't sailed the boat.

I'm trying to stay objective but I'd have to say the Vago was trumpeted by Laser to be something it isn't.  It is probably a good low maintenance skiff type trainer for teenagers and light adults.  There are plenty of other boats which fit the same category - Laser3000, Topper Buz, the slower 405 and the thoroughbred 29er.  They all have their strengths and weaknesses for instance the Buz could be cheaper 2nd hand and the 405 is easier to sail and slower, the 29er is considerably faster but tricky.

If you fit the bill, light and new to this sort of boat then the Vago might suit.

Thanks for that, what do you think of the RS400 btw? Or is it a very hard boat for one person? 

 

Maybe you should look at a single handed boat rather than a 2 handed boat. Boats that are suposed to have 2 people in should have 2 people in. Comprimises like the vago don't normally work.
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Ok well I’d be sailing on a lake (although I would no dout move to sailing at sea when I get more confident and into it), single handed but I’d like there to be room the odd visitor! I’m not very competitive but I still have a need for speed so verging on some thing pretty fast I suppose. I weigh 11 stone and how physically demanding do I want my boat to be??... Moderate I suppose. I mean I want some thing with a bit of attitude and not a push over if you get my drift?

 

Any suggestions?

 

I will go down to Frensham Pond Sailing Club and see what they say down there to.

 

 

Sorry these are probably questions you always get asked!!
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Don't apologise - we all love talking sailing here. 

The RS400 has the sort of sail area and stablilty which requires about 24 stone sitting hard over the side in any sort of breeze.  So its not going to be any good what-so-ever for single handing an 11 stoner.  So the sort of boat you choose should reflect your weight and how many are going to sail it.  In addition the wind is generally lighter inland than on the sea - so this too is a factor.

I'm glad you are going to a sailing club - you should then see what the parameters are.

Other factors to consider - wood, plastic, glassfibre or something more exotic?  Trapeze, wings, sliding seat or not?  Spinaker or genaker, with a foresail or not?  And finally - cost.

So you see you need to do quite a bit of research first and the best place for that is on the water, but this was a good place to start.
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I'd agree with TT that the Vareo jumps out as being a good choice. But don't give up on the Vago idea. I've now sailed the XD single handed with kite and it's lively enough but accessable for a single hander (although I'm 90 kg) while having enough room for a crew if you want. It was marketed as being as fast as a L4000 while being suitable for 1 or 2 people and being as easy to sail as a L2000.

In my experience it falls between the L2K and 4K in terms of speed and ease of sail. However, it does work for both 1 and 2 people as the gennaker launch is fairly straight forward to do single handed. Compared to any similar GRP boat it is heavy but is reasonably maintenance free.

Yer pays yer money etc....

But do check out (as other have said) what else is being sailed near you. More cameraderie, you'll develop faster and you'll be able to cadge spares if something breaks on regatta day.
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