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    Posted: 14 May 07 at 2:55pm

Hi, i am doing a uni project and need info on Dinghy Sailing.  What you want from your sport? Is it growing?  how accessable is it?  anything really. 

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Hi, they're very open questions you got there but anyway...

What i want from sailing is the thrill and the buzz from the boat. It's not all about the winning of open meets (but that is an upside), you can still have great fun plodding about and constantly trying to go faster!!

Is it growing?? tricky one... the sailing industry are constantly building new boats so it must be growing, but then again more and more classes of boats have stopped being produced (for example, the Vortex ) and others are booming at the moment (for example,... lasers i think!).

Hope this helps. mark.

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Yeah I agree with Splosh.  For me the pure competitiveness of sailing is on the way out and I way prefer going sailing for the adrenaline rush and for the thrill of speed. 
As for growth - I think that British skiff sailing is becoming massive and and churning out new designs and ideas even faster than the aussies these days.  It's definitely got to the stage where England is well up there with australia and new zealand for pushing the boundaries of skiff sailing - eg, the two coolest boats at the women's olympic trials were British.
I think the sport is growing in accesibility just seeing all the new members down at my club this year.  But there still does seem to be a lot of stereotyping of sailing being some posh thing to do (not helped by media portrayal) and that seems to be stopping a lot of people getting involved.

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What is the title of your project? This might help us respond more specifically.

1) What you want from your sport?

Dinghy sailing is different things to different people. Some people love the speed and challenge  of racing skiffs, others like taking the family out and sailing to a beach for the afternoon.

2) Is it growing?

The RYA might be able to help you with this. This is very difficult to answer since there is no easy measure of growth: new boat sales, open meeting/nationals attendance, courses run, club membership etc. are not necessarily accurate indicators of growth by themselves due to (1) and also the large variety of different classes involved.

3) How accessible is it?

Possibly more than it was with low maintenance, indestructible and more refined training boats along with big improvements in clothing. There are also many sailing holiday companies. The RYA will give you an idea of just how many training centres there are in the UK.

Some will argue with me on this but cost is still prohibitive, that is just a fact of life. Decent modern boats, good clothing and sailing club membership all don't come cheap when compared to say, buying a new tennis racquet and playing on a public court, or buying some boardies and heading to your local pool. Many young people really suffer with this without significant financial help. However, for some classes used boats often do not lose much of their value.

Please remember that this forum (who are mostly skiff/high performance sailors) is not totally representative of the sailing world as a whole!! We do not all sail cherubs


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Originally posted by Prince Buster

As for growth - I think that British skiff sailing is becoming massive

 

I would disagree. In the last 3 years I can see very little growth in skiff sailing in the UK. Without re-opening the can of worms regarding the skiff definition just look at a few;

RS800- similar turnouts for a couple of years

Cherubs- similar level of interest for years- but 2 new professional designs granted

29/49er- 29er is popular at the moment- but thats just the fluctuation due to it being picked as the ISAF boat- as it was in '02. 49er- lots of Olympic squad sailors- precious few else- s/h market appears flooded.

musto- numbers on a steady rise- but I wouldn't call the growth rate astronomic... its been around for 7 years now.

Chichester harbour 14s *International*- make the headlines every now and thnen for some new breakthrough/ make good magazine reading. Virtually no UK circuit.

 

Junior sailing has become huge with the RYAs strong involvement, but, questionably, to the detriment of having juniors in clubs.

 

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I don't mean that kind of growth, I don't care about turnouts for wanabee skiffs.  I mean that the real pushing the boundaries, radical style of sailing has well and truly come to England.  Like foiling moths, 12ft skiffs and cherubs.
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I agree, most of the radical changes are coming from britian at the moment like the brand new GT60 etc. You could re-phase prince busters coments; the production and development is quickly growing not turnouts and amounts.

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Think we're probably going down the wrong track here, just looking at the newer skiff classes completely writes off a large part of the sport.

1)Dinghy sailing is an incredibly diverse sport, (the most diverse?) with a huge variety of different classes to suit different needs/ desires. Lots of sailors want very different things from their sport hence the huge variety of boats sailed (over 113 listed by this website).

2) See m_liddel above, though if you are talking purely about racing, over 5181 boats travelled to their national championships last year compared to 4981 in 2003. In terms of competitors attending bear in mind that many of those will be double handers with a few triplehanders.

The national championships attendance figures for the recent years are here : http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classes/?s=44

RYA still best bet for guesses as to total amount sailing.

3) It is a sport that is relatively accessible as a youngster when there are many oppurtunities for cheap sailing and there are often club boats which the juniors can race for a very low cost.

However as you get older what m_liddel says applies and the cost often starts to get prohibitive, though many people can crew cheaply for those with the money to buy a boat. Furthermore if the right class is bought into the second hand market can be strong and a boat can often be resold at a favourable value.

Sailing compares favorably in terms of cost to golf, (based on what a couple of mates pay in terms of fees + clubs + events) not compared to Football or Rugby.


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Here's what i want to get from dinghy racing as a sport:  tactics; physical challenge; intellectual challenge (max boatspeed VMG).  I equate it to

Rugby - power and stamina for about a 90 minute race

Sprinting - managing the pressure of the start

Gymnastics/Dance - balanced, controlled movements around the boat...although I am no gymnast..!

Chess - tactics...thinking future....except that you are playing multi-opponents instead of 1 (so, less intense....more volume)

Basic engineering - accuracy and comprehension around repeatable settings is essential.

Clearly the skills are less than required for each other discipline on its own....it is in the blend of those skills that sailing (esp dinghy sailing) becomes unique.

I remember discussing with a championship winning handglider (about 8yrs ago), the technical advances of our relative sports.  He believed, that sailing could not be as advanced as his sport, they used carbon after all.

When I asked if the wing section they used was adjustable in flight, his answer was....why?  So I showed him the inside of our 505....he'd gone pretty quiet by the time we'd done the strut, and the jib cars..!!

So, is the sport growing?.....not sure, and not actually sure that it matters, unless you happen to be selling boats for a living..(he, he,he)!

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Originally posted by Chas 505

When I asked if the wing section they used was adjustable in flight, his answer was....why?  So I showed him the inside of our 505....he'd gone pretty quiet by the time we'd done the strut, and the jib cars..!!


Without throwing this thread off on a tangent, it is interesting to note that the trend for high performance dinghies is less adjustment and more 'automatic' adjusting rigs. Just take a look at a penultimate 14 with string everywhere (I can adjust the tension on the lowers from the wire!?) compared with a new one...
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