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    Posted: 23 Jan 07 at 8:54pm

As some of you m,ay know, I have been intending to design and build a NS14 to race here in England.  What's one of them?  Click here to see the association website.  In a nutshell they are a two-man, two-sail, Australian development class which was the basis of the Tasar (a one-design spin-off).  Since the Tasar was introduced things have moved on a bit and they are generally considered one of the most influential and efficient classes around .  Frank Bethwaites 'High Performance Sailing' devotes a large section of the book to the developments in this class (up to the mid 70's when he produced the Tasar).

Anyway, whilst building my own is still a possibility, I have sourced some new boats at a truly exceptional price.  They are available from Landenberger Sails in Germany (Andrew L is an Aussy who moved to Germany and a former Moth world champ and Olympic silver medallist).  I am probably going to go to Germany at Easter to collect one.  If anyone else would like one, then I will definitely go.

If any one else is interested please let me know.   
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looks very nice. have fun in it
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They do look nice but won't you be a bit lonley?

Why not get a Merlin, N12 or a Tasar?

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Originally posted by Guest#260

Why not get a Merlin, N12 or a Tasar?

Of course if everyone worked on that principle there would have have been no National 12, Merlin or Tasar. But I'm not sure the current environment is great for the introduction of a new box rule class. But as long as you don't mind not having a hundred identical boats in a year's time then hell, give it a go. I did with my one off singlehander and don't regret having done it.

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Originally posted by JimC

 But I'm not sure the current environment is great for the introduction of a new box rule class.

Which raises the question: when was a new box rule class last successfully introduced? By "successful" let's say at least 100 boats built.

I suspect it was the Merlin Rocket in 1951, which (amazingly enough) was a merger of the "Merlin" and "Rocket" classes. Both those predecessor classes were founded by syndicates of owners, not "one man with a vision".

You could also make a case for the IOR Ton Cup boats. IOR was agreed in 1968 and in the 1970s large numbers of half-tonners were built, a few of which are still racing today. However strictly speaking the Ton Cuppers were built to a maximum rating, rather than a "box". 

 

 
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f18 is a pretty sucessful box rule. also aclass cat.

NS14 is a lovely boat, i think landy was selling one out of an old flight 24 mould with bigger rigs.

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The Cat formula classes, F18 et al are I think the most recent development classes, then probably the A Class.

As for when introduced, it depends which country you are talking about. In the UK the most recently introduced monohull classes are probably the Moth and Cherub. Both have had well in excess of 1000 boats built in the UK over the yeras, both were really early 60s in the UK, but with overseas antecedents, the Cherub going back to 1951 in NZ, the Moth pre war in Aus and USA. Of antipodean monohulls NZ Javelin and NS14 are both 60s in origin.
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Originally posted by JimC

The Cat formula classes, F18 et al are I think the most recent development classes, then probably the A Class.

As for when introduced, it depends which country you are talking about. In the UK the most recently introduced monohull classes are probably the Moth and Cherub. Both have had well in excess of 1000 boats built in the UK over the yeras, both were really early 60s in the UK, but with overseas antecedents, the Cherub going back to 1951 in NZ, the Moth pre war in Aus and USA. Of antipodean monohulls NZ Javelin and NS14 are both 60s in origin.

 

F16 too; we may not yet have got to 100 worldwide, but it must be getting close.
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So there haven't been any successful new monohull "box" dinghy classes in the UK in the last 30 years but there have been new multihull classes. Why the difference?

I suspect the answer is that for monohulls there hasn't really been a gap in the marked whereas for multihulls the opposite is true, but it would be interesting to hear what the multihulls people have to say.

 
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