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    Posted: 09 Aug 06 at 8:34pm

This is all and old thing decided and placed in history for later lamenting but...... the scores were not based on who won a race in what ot why, but how well the assesors felt the dinghies tested fitted the IYRU's wish list for a 'new style', 'skiff like' blaster - representing the sport in an exciting and more visually moving way - good, very good etc.

The 49er won because of its ethos, not its speed. As a sailor I would rather watch the local Ents battle out the tactical conudrums of a light weather day than the skiffies try and stay up right in a gale. The choice wasn't made for me though, but to possibly appeal to those who don't sail and prevent sailing being axed from a competition which doesn't need it as much as sailing needs it.

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They tried to give the FD an update by turning it into the Mach 2; FD hull with wings about one metre, fathead main, big assy, twin traps, smaller jib. There's probably not much more you could do.

Although apparently quite quick, it scored lower than the original FD in the trials and most FDers think it was a step a long way too far for something which still couldn't rival the 49er in terms of age and pace.
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Hmmm someone give ssailor a shake!
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But the 700 is still soo much better 
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Originally posted by getafix

The great travesty of this was that it dumped the FD anyway.  Why take out the rolls-royce of sailing, a tweaky, high-performance boat with an international following and replace it with a SMOD?  wouldn't it have been better to leave the FD in (as with the Tornado) and bring it up-to-date, then we could have the 49er as a great, £2000 cheaper, high performance skiff, instead of the £2000 more expensive, Olympic hopefuls only job it now is.  If the arugment worked for the FD-to-49er, why not Tornado-to-Tiger, Yngling-to-M24, Laser-to-MODS, Laser-radial-to-reefedMODS and 470-to-29erxx???

The i14 & 49er did for the Boss and the L5000 for good reason; they just didn't go far enough (because of cost as a driving force for technology chosen) and were therefore quickly outdated by the development guys (i14, Cherub) and the SMODs (49er, 29er)... the same fate later befell the L4000, Buzz, Spice, L3000 etc.. and will probably happen to the RS700, RS800, Vago, Xenon etc... not enough take up and "stuck in time" SMODness of build standards and technology means they will be out paced, out-gunned and eventually, out sold, by the dev class boys or by the next SMOD to come along that pushes the boundaries of technology the way the x9er series of Musto Skiff have.

Just for the record the Musto Skiff was designed before the RS700 ...

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The reason the Tornado could change and the Dutchman couldn't is that the state of the art in the catamaran platform hasn't changed that much since the Tornado ( a boat if not ahead of its time certainly right at the forefront) was designed. By contrast with the FD there was nothing about the boat that was worth retaining towards a modern platform. Best it should be appereciated for what it is - updating it would kinda be like putting wide wheels, spoilers and the like on a vintage Bentley.

Something I've noticed is that we're starting to see quite a few more 49ers being club sailed as the necessary skills become more widespread. Unfair to call it Olympic hopefuls only.

The Boss and 5 tonner et al died not so much because they were about 15 years behind the pace when they were designed, never mind being quickly outdated by the development guys, but because they just weren't very good boats. There are plenty of far more outdated classes doing very nicely thankyou. While people may admire the build standards and so on of the development boats relatively few people are prepared to shell out the extra cash that such build standards require in off the shelf boats. We're certainly never going to outsell the SMODs. New Cherubs, for instance, aren't quite rushing out of the boatbuilders shops...

I do think the lifespan of SMOD classes will be interesting, but I doubt that the latest new thing will be such a big deal with Vagos and Xenons and things. The original Topper is scarcely suffering... More likely that there will be updates every few years if new materials/techniques become available. If, for instance, rs400 sales start getting too low I'd wonder about a next generation RS400 with a new plastic rig and a bigger kite. Maybe a slightly smaller main too...

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The great travesty of this was that it dumped the FD anyway.  Why take out the rolls-royce of sailing, a tweaky, high-performance boat with an international following and replace it with a SMOD?  wouldn't it have been better to leave the FD in (as with the Tornado) and bring it up-to-date, then we could have the 49er as a great, £2000 cheaper, high performance skiff, instead of the £2000 more expensive, Olympic hopefuls only job it now is.  If the arugment worked for the FD-to-49er, why not Tornado-to-Tiger, Yngling-to-M24, Laser-to-MODS, Laser-radial-to-reefedMODS and 470-to-29erxx???

The i14 & 49er did for the Boss and the L5000 for good reason; they just didn't go far enough (because of cost as a driving force for technology chosen) and were therefore quickly outdated by the development guys (i14, Cherub) and the SMODs (49er, 29er)... the same fate later befell the L4000, Buzz, Spice, L3000 etc.. and will probably happen to the RS700, RS800, Vago, Xenon etc... not enough take up and "stuck in time" SMODness of build standards and technology means they will be out paced, out-gunned and eventually, out sold, by the dev class boys or by the next SMOD to come along that pushes the boundaries of technology the way the x9er series of Musto Skiff have.
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Yep, it was the Coronet, but I thought "blown-up 505" was the best description since not too many people have heard of the Coronet.
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Ah ha Chris, you may very will think so, but we couldn't possibly comment

Anyway, wasn't the 5o actually the Coronet, and the 5o5 came a little bit later?


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Originally posted by CT249

Now, you Ospreyers have all been very naughty and until your webmaster removes those fibs from your website

We're just having the discussion elsewehere about how these myths propogate... I never had the heart to remove the cute but false story about how the Cherub Class got its name from the website, just added a statement to say that the evidence was good that it was a myth...
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