Rossiter Pintail Mortagne sur Gironde, near Bordeaux |
![]() |
Laser 28 - Excellent example of this great design Hamble le rice |
![]() |
Laser 140101 Tynemouth |
![]() |
List classes of boat for sale |
Moths |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Author | |
Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 28 Jul 06 at 10:46pm |
Also, importantly, in those days people didn't mind going into their garages with sheets of plywood, a saw and some glue. How many people want a wooden boat now, let alone the hassle of building it? Even the development classes such as Merlins are becoming dominated by manufactured f.r.p. boats. p.s. meant to add that I'd nonetheless love a Scow Moth! I could sail one of those, unlike the skinnies... Edited by Medway Maniac |
|
![]() |
|
Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
No. One-off racing keelboats are common enough. Sail- and spar-makers know enough to make something decent for them without needing prototypes. The reason you will probably never see a new development class is because it is almost impossible to get together enough like-minded souls to make it happen. It takes a lot of effort to run a class, let alone start one. People buy into, say, Merlins, because there are lots of existing events in nice places. People bought into, say, RS200s because there was the marketing muscle to establish the class. How are you going to establish a new development class? Historically, these classes started because a bunch of guys in a club decided, we all want to sail something like this, and they went and built a bunch of them. Then a bunch of guys at a nearby club went, hey, like the look of that. And just a handful of such classes grew out of the huge numbers of local classes that used to exist, and are still around today. But now, the dynamics are completely different. You need the budget of a company to start a new class.
Edited by Stefan Lloyd |
|
![]() |
|
JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Don't reckon so. Just a question of going to a sailmaker and mast builder who work well together and have experience in a reasonably similar open rule boat. I would put the effort and cost in getting hull and things like rig position, board location etc as being higher. |
|
![]() |
|
Nemo ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You're right - I should have said One Designs, not SMODs. But the problem is probably worse for SMODs because the manufacturer has the final say. Congrats to the Blaze class for pushing through the changes. |
|
![]() |
|
blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
As for classes with wings...how many Lasers sell compared to Blazes? Very few of course - and very few Moths as well but that is hardly the point. Lots of people drive the ford focus - not a bad car of course but it would be exceedingly boring if that was all that was available ..... We could as easily say that the original Topper outsells the Laser in the UK - or that the Optimist has the greatest following at its Nationals. The Moth like the I14 has led development for many decades and has infuenced many many classes across the planet, spawning a lot of them in their wake. Its probabaly unlikely that a new development class will result but if it does it will be because people want that to happen. Each to their own ? Blaze '720' |
|
![]() |
|
Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sadly, you are probebly right. Is this because the cost of developing a decent rig is so high? I think the Americans got round this by supplying a one design rig for thir classic Moths, and allowing lots of wacky hull shapes under it. As for classes with wings...how many Lasers sell compared to Blazes? |
|
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
|
|
![]() |
|
blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Nemo said "I think the popularity of the Blaze shows that this is the kind of
thing the majority of sailors want, but they've had to update once
already - which shows the problems SMODs face".
You don't have to be a SMOD one design to see occasional changes in 'one designs' make sense. Fireball - originally no spinni or trapeze, only wood. Phantom - originally only ply and a metal stick with an old Fireball main. Many other examples out there. One of the posisble failings of many SMOD's is that they are a snapshot in time - never developing whatsoever as manufactureres see no need to 'tinker' with a money machine. Then as the class appears dated (needelessly) they churn the market with a 'better' class. As a class we started with a rig that was powerful but only gorilla's with big attitude could sail it in a F4+ -refining the sail and reducing the area transformed it. This is an example of a worthwhile update ! However Blaze hulls are ALL out of the same mould, all use the same stick and a single suppler sail. This keeps things relatively inexpensive but we do review the boat from time to time and will no doubt do so in the future as well. WE intend to be there in 20 years time but you do need a strong CA ! Blaze '720' |
|
![]() |
|
Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It's been that for a long time. I speak as an "average sailor" who bought an International Moth and attempted to learn to sail it on a lake. |
|
![]() |
|
JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think the chances of starting an open rule class in the UK these days is just about zero.
|
|
![]() |
|
Nemo ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Jul 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 7 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Whilst I would definately keep the Int Moth as open as possible to lead the way in development, I agree that that this makes it less and less appealing to the masses. I have thought for a while that it would be good to create (yet another!) spin off restricted development class from the Moth based on earlier, less extreme designs. I was imagining the late 70's/early 80's designs - fat-but-with-wings and scow designs. I think the popularity of the Blaze shows that this is the kind of thing the majority of sailors want, but they've had to update once already - which shows the problems SMODs face.
|
|
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |