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Sorce 
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 Topic: What's the right boat for me?Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 8:13pm |
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Ok, I am selling my Wayfarer and with that money (Hopefully around £3000, plus maybe up to £1000 on top of that, so consider a budget for a second hand boat of max. £4000) I hope to buy a new boat.
A bit about me: I'm 17 years old, quite an experienced sailor; I (try to) race Lasers every Sunday at a competitive lake near me and I currently hold and practice a Dinghy Instructor qualification. Now about the boat I'd like: Well I'm looking for a double-hander since I have a few friends who would be eager to join me, and I'm also looking for quite an exciting boat to sail, so definitely spinnaker + at least 1 trapeze (I would prefer only 1, actually). I would really like it if it had an active racing scene, especially one which is quite youth-orientated. Now, I've been looking around and it occurs to me that the obvious choice is a 29er, but I'm not sure whether this is the best boat to start with now at 17 since I know that many people start on this boat much younger. I've also looked at the Laser 4000 but I've heard that they've gone out of production and so I have my doubts about the activity of the racing there. So, what boat should I go for which would meet the requirements? Many thanks, Peter. |
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combat wombat
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 8:49pm |
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29er is a good bet, but they have been hijacked by the youth scene a bit. Can still be sailed when older and you don't need to be young to start on one, but the crew weight is lowish so if you're getting bigger then it may not be for you. Your best bet is an 800, they can be sailed single trapeze (ala some of Minorca Sailing's 800's) and twin wire when you want. Devastatingly fast and quite easy to learn skiffy ways in, when the breeze isn't up. Big fleets and good close racing. Single line kite hoist/drop and self tacking jib make an inexperienced crews job a bit easier.
I'd recommend the B14 as well, but no trapeze and the kite has to be bagged (so requires an experienced crew). Can be difficult to sail as the kite is ridiculously unruly in a breeze, but very quick and cheap. 4000, good boat, very strong, but getting a bit slow by today's standards (due to the weight, 103kg's unfitted!). Good racing scene but I think it is diminishing. Others to look at include the Laser 3000 and the new RS500, both not as fast as the above but single trapeze with assy kite. |
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carshalton fc
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 8:50pm |
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there is lots of racing for the 4000 50boats at the nats and 60 at the inlands. it sounds like the 4000 would be a better choice. it is alot more fagiving than the 9er. seems to meet ur requirments. if u wanted to chat about a 4k u could private message me! luke |
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Sorce
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 8:59pm |
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Thanks for the quick replies!
combat wombat, I've had a quick look at the RS 800s and while they look fantastic, you you think that it would be a good starting boat for youth-adult racing? I mean they're right up there with the 49er and Laser 5000 which I was going to hold off on until I had some more experience in a spinnaker boat. Also, is the 4000 really quite slow?? With a PN of 908 I find that quite hard to believe. Honestly I am looking for something faster than the Laser Vago; RS 500 or Laser 3000 so they're not quite right. And thanks for the insight into the racing carshalton, but can you tell me how many younger members there are in that racing circuit? I'm looking for people under 20... Thanks, Peter. |
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carshalton fc
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 9:03pm |
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no they are not slow at all. u get a nice f5-6 and u dont have to be a supper sailor to keep the boat upright. i am 16 am so is my helm, there are a few others in the class that are young mainly father and son teams not many all youth boats. |
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Sorce
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 9:07pm |
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Another thing with the RS 800 is that as beautiful as it looks, its also got a price to match which is quite far outside of my range unfortunately :(
So that rules that out, at least for now. It looks to me as if a Laser 4000 is still my best bet, has anyone got any other suggestions? |
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JimC
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 9:09pm |
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29er's a far nicer boat than the 4 tonner if you're light enough.
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Sorce
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 9:11pm |
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JimC, ok, maybe I should give you an idea of our weight as well.
Combined, my crew and I would be somewhere between 150 and 160kg. This seems a bit too heavy for the 29er, but perhaps about right for the 4k? Thanks, Peter. |
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les5269
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 9:14pm |
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the 4000 is a good boat. Where are you thinking of sailing ? you may find that a certain boat is more popular than others I can't comment on the 29er I've never sailed one ,tho they do go fast |
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49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!
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29er397
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Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 9:17pm |
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I sail the 9er with my bro, we weigh 130kg combined and we are about right, I think you may be a little bit heavy for the 9er.You should get a go in both the 4k and the 9er and see which one you like best. (i am selling mine after the worlds in july so...
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