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    Posted: 16 May 06 at 12:48pm

The V3000 made its debut at the first class meet of the year, at Carsington SC on 13-14 May. There are more (amateurish) pictures in the race report, click the Carsington topic in Recent Articles on the left of the homepage at:

www.3000class.org.uk

Photo Credit: Mike Shaw, www.pixelviews.co.uk

I helmed and crewed races on the Saturday, and other class members got the chance to test her out, racing and fun sailing, on the Sunday. General concensus:

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First of all, Well done to the 3000 class!!  It looks as though you've filled the boats real potential and developed what looks to be a racing machine! 

However, would i be right in looking at the kite and thinking that its somewhat bigger......?? (I already knew that the jib was going to be bigger)

I seem to remember certain 3000 sailors saying that a well sailed L3000 would be able to keep up with a not so well sailed V3000.  With a 30kg weight drop and bigger sails, is this comment still valid, without going to the extremes of having olympic class sailors in the L3000 against average club sailors in the V3000??
And is the class association willing to volunteer a new handicap number to be raced with for the V3000?  Or will we have to wait for a few years of handicap bandit racing to pass untill the RYA finally alter it??

Again though, well done! It looks really nice!

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the kite is taller and narrower, with a flatter cut, with the intention of making it better suited to club sailing with close reaches ... it's actually a slightly smaller overall area

i was surprised how little difference the larger jib made upwind (we had one long tack paired off against a Laser 3000 ... the boat could point higher, good for starts (where the Laser 3000  with the Hyde sails used to drop down onto higher pointing boats) but it slowed down more than it gained in pointing

the jib worked better freed off a touch where it did very gradually overhaul the L3K (with a 30kg lighter crew), the battened shape really driving ... the jib really is a thing of beauty (by North)

we had a fair bit of mast rake dialled in (our top club sailors settings) and the boat was perfectly balanced ... off-the boom sheeting loads were very light and it was easy to oversheet the main ... the boom about 6" off centre seemed to give best speed/pointing

the most impressive thing was the accelleration with the lighter hull ... the relationship between hull weight and sail area seems spot on ... it's a pedigree race boat now

the Laser 3000 SMOD design struggled to compete on handicap in anything less than a F7 ... below F3 it lost out big time to hiking boats, and from F3 to F6 to more highly developed trapeze boats ... the V3000 (and to an extent a Laser 3000 with the new sails) will definitely redress that balance

the PY question is TBD but at the moment the class wouldn't recommend a separate PY ... if the V3000 consistently beats the latest generation Fireballs we may reconsider, and Ken Kershaw at the RYA has offered to list Laser 3000s and V3000s separately if this is the case

can't wait to see a good light-medium weight crew in a V3000 at a major event in a F4-5, it'll be a flying machine

the only downside is that, with this build quality, demand could outstrip supply very quickly!



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Originally posted by Doug.H

I seem to remember certain 3000 sailors saying that a well sailed L3000 would be able to keep up with a not so well sailed V3000.


Without a doubt, as, to my cost, I am currently demonstrating at my club that a reasonable standard club sailor in an RS300 can sometimes keep up with an indifferently sailed International Canoe. Remember the spread of finish times in a typical Champs fleet is equivalent to 200 points of PY.
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... and the V3000 only won 2 of the 6 races at Carsington, tactics in a shifty F2 conditions and error free handling having far more impact

could be a very different story in planing conditions though, especially transitional displacement/planing sailing where the lower weight will bring it up onto the plane sooner, which could build 50-100 metres or more over the course of a race

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Indeed.. yellowhammer's laser 3k - despite a total lack of slot gasket, a borrowed wooden tiller, a shark bite in the centre board and numerous rope tangles (crew incompetence I'm sure) still beat the V3000 in two races ..... just! 

Meanwhile we have the V3000 at Carsington for the next week or so; so if anyone wants a demo, please drop me a line or ask Vandercraft direct ... though the temptation is not to share it at all

Unfortunately the weather for the next week looks like being c*#p.  Sooo frustrating - but if anyone's up for a sail in 20knots and pouring rain, I'll see what can be sorted.

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Originally posted by NickA

Unfortunately the weather for the next week looks like being c*#p.  Sooo frustrating - but if anyone's up for a sail in 20knots and pouring rain, I'll see what can be sorted.



How can you say 20knots and crap weather in the same sentence?! If its that windy, whether it is sunny or not is insignificant surely!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 06 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by timnoyce

Originally posted by NickA

Unfortunately the weather for the next week looks like being c*#p.  Sooo frustrating - but if anyone's up for a sail in 20knots and pouring rain, I'll see what can be sorted.



How can you say 20knots and crap weather in the same sentence?! If its that windy, whether it is sunny or not is insignificant surely!


Agreed! we have cloudy 10knots forcast... I know where Id rather be!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote NickA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 06 at 8:55pm

yup you're right.  Shall just have to eat extra chips for lunch or take a crew with me.

I'd been hoping to single hand the thing and see if I can sheet the main off the boom (same hand as tiller?) whilst looking after the spinny with the spare hand and trimming the jib with a free foot or something.

need one of those tricky off the boom cleats from a swift solo

main problem on first single handing attempt at the weekend was the thing accelerates so quickly you have to keep your back foot well braced to avoid flying off the back when the gusts hit (and saturday's gusts were not big). 

For man used to SMODs this thing is LIGHT.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 06 at 9:01pm
what is the sailing weight of it then. dont say 20kg lighter than an l3k cos i dont know how heavy they are either.
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