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Calum_Reid ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
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I didn't say it was as powerfull i said it was nicer to sail with.
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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On your bike the radial is pathetic and isnt much fun until about a force 5-6 where as you actually have to work with a full rig to get it to go
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Calum_Reid ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 59 |
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I know many people who would say the opposite and that the radial rig is infact a much nicer rig to sail with as it fits the boat better.
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m_liddell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 583 |
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One thing to keep in mind is that Laser changed the radial sail a few years back. The radial rig has always been crap and it's nice to see it is being addressed. |
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elmo ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 31 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31 |
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I think the probelm with the 4.7 is that then the sail is absolutely tiny compared to hte boat and you just dont go anywhere unless it is honking. I think Rick is right, us light people would like to get upwind when it is windy and still speed downwind. A previous person is right abou tthe hull wieght, when it is really light it is trickly to roll tack well as you have to have such extreme body movements if you dont weigh much, but I cant see what can be done about that and am sure that it has a great deal to do with good technique! There are no europe fleet around, so the carbon mast makes the radial much better. And remember all these problems with being light also apply to the small olympic competitors, a small chinese woman wanting to go to the olympics in a single hander cant just "go sail a europe"! |
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She also has a 4.7 and uses that when it is windy (over about 18knots) but it's really dull down wind for her ... if she has a carbon top mast she could manage upwind then have the pleasure of a bigger sail downwind when it's breezy. Rick |
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Sarah B ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 92 |
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I think it is the affect on the club level racing where I have the problem with the change. When I switched from a Europe to a Radial, i was told it was nice to see someone winning in a boat which was the same as everyone else's (rather than my fully sorted Europe). At grass roots a change in mast is a massive change. And Rick, has your wife considered a 4.7? It is still a Laser which many forget for the lightweights irrespective of the fact it is also a 'junior' class.
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I guess that is a matter of opinion; when I race the guys at our gravel pit in the winter the course has loads of marks because it's small which means lots to rig adjustments - the guys without XD end up sailing legs with the wrong settings because it's not worth changing for a short leg and are losing out ...
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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At club level, not everyone is going to change. So it does dilute the OD concept.The OD concept also includes not having to spend money to keep up with changes to the boat. It's a far more radical change than the kicker arrangement. Isn't a topmast with different bend characteristics also going to mean a different sail as well? I have no view or any particular interest in whether this is a good or a bad change (although as a former Europe sailor I find it quite amusing) but I don't see how you can argue it is a minor change. |
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Offshoretiger ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jan 05 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 179 |
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Surely even with a carbon top mast the main problem with the radial for lighter sailors is still going to be the hull weight? Even with the radial rig, XD controlls and a lighter topmast the hull was still designed for someone in the full rig weight range and lighter sailers are still not going to be able to move the boat around as effectivley as heavier ones.
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