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    Posted: 09 Mar 06 at 8:33pm

WickedBob - have you tried the Feva?  IMHO - having sailed both - it's far better built and quicker (or at least feels it - I don't know what the PY is), whilst still giving you all the flexibilty of family sailing plus single-handed fun.
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Thanks for all your replys, but I want it because whilst it may not be the quickest boat on the water, it is nice to have the versatility of being able to put the basic sail back on it or put the jib on for a bit of family sailing fun, especially when I want to sail alone in rough weather, I have sailed the basic sail and I've heard from others that it has a very nice handicap for racing (it gives a false picture of how fast it actually goes).

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Originally posted by 5420

Firstly is the person that put this on hear actually reading it he has not put any thing else on hear and I was him I would want to know more about the classes mentioned

Also we are all talking about lots of different classes but that is the mine problem if we all got the same boat (not laser) that was a good boat im not going to argue what it should be (vareo) then we would all get very good racing which we are not getting at club level at the moment unless you have a laser or ff (at my club don’t know about others) but then when we travel to an open or nats your getting the same numbers than we get in a club race of laser at grafham and we would not get people like topper constantly designing new boats that are a load of rubbish we have had the xeon thing topaz there new vibe thing is coming along what is the point

(Not my fault there is bad spelling)

Now comment don’t slate me for saying it though

He's probably been scared away, he only wanted a boat to mess about in!

 
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firstly is the person that put thison hear acherly reading it he has not put any thing els on hear and i i was him i would want to know more about the classes menchond

also we are all talking about lots of diffrent classes but that is the mine problem if we all got the same boat (not laser) that was a good boat im not going to argue what it should be (vareo) then we would all get very good racing which we are not geting at club leval at the momrnt unless you have a laser or ff (at my club dont know about others) but then when we traval to an open or nats yer geting the samee numbers than we get in a club race of laser at grafham and we would not get people like topper constanly desinging new boats that are a load of rubish we have had the xeon thing topaze there new vibe thing is comeing along what is the pont

(not my falt theres bad spelling)

now comment dont slate me for saying it thow

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Go and look at their website, the pages for their Plastic dinghies are full of lifestyle improving prose.  The Byte and Blaze are 3 words long, I just don't get it.  If their not interested why dont they sell the moulds to someone who will build and market them, I'm sure someone would take the Blaze off their hands, the Byte might be harder to find a biulder for, but however maybe doesn't need a UK biulder as you could import them from Italy. 
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Originally posted by turnturtle

something like that... plastic fantastic.  There are better boats out there and no need to repeat the lists as I think they're pretty well accounted for in other posts on this thread.

Topper are such a weird fish- I mean, they got slated in the 90s for having too broad a range of boats with no real descernable market for the individual purchaser- then, oh look, they've just re-invented the wheel, I've been sailing for over 20 years and their product range is either a) too confusing, or b) too convoluted for me to give a sh1t... 

That said, I guess the the 'beach club' market is different, and given by the overuse of sunsail stock photography on the TI website, I would imagine this is where they pitch most of their marketing effort.  Legoland boats are going to be attractive to beach clubs- they can be easily adapted for various sailing skill levels, weather conditions & crew numbers.... I just can't see the attraction from a personal boat owner point of view, especially when there are so many better options out there.

At the risk of turning this into a TI free-for-all, I quite agree. Their range is so confusing, boats come and go before you realise it, others don't actually go but you think they have. New ones appear with barely a whisper and seem to compete against each other. Their boats are generally ugly and the names seem to be randomly selected with no common thread to help establish a brand name. The website is confusing to say the least (e.g. Xenon page has picture of Omega). It is good that have developed boats for the non-racing sector of the market, but their only selling point seems to be that they are cheap. If I was Topper, I would worry if a Chinese company entered the market.

I have nothing personal against Topper and some of their boats are good (Topper, Byte, Blaze, Buzz(?)), but their marketting is truly awful.  They do okay because they get big orders from the holiday companies (and the Topper sells well) but having all your eggs in one basket has got to be risky...

 
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Oh and Rupert.....take a chill pill man....

No one has even mentioned the MPS or Cherub as a suitable alternative (yet).

I would say the boats already suggested as alternates are good ideas (Blaze, Vareo et al).

There are 2 Topaz Uno races (with the spi conversion). They hardly ever race and when they do they do badly (even in a blow) and they are sailed by 2 guys who were at the front of the 470 fleet (dont ask why I don't know why they switched).

There is a definite current against the 'carrier bag' remoulds on this forum. My good lady (who knows very little about sailing) wondered if she could use one the new breed of 'carrier bags' as a bath tub as thats what they looked like!

Stick with GRP/Wood (and carriers bags for Toppers, they only boat that really works in that material).

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Topper don't market the Blaze at all, it is done by the CA (who do an excellant job). Also there is currently a backlog of Blaze's on order as they cannot (or will not) build them fast enough to satisfy demand.

I will admit the new Blaze on the stand did look good :-)

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Originally posted by Pierre

For heavens sake Rupert, stop this reasonable attitude and your considered replies. Your making an exhibition of yourself man !!!



Sorry! Quite right, doesn't work at all on this forum...

Topaz is a complete waste of the world's oil resources, the boat shouldn't be touched with a barge pole and instead you should buy either a Cherub or an MPS, both of which have the incredibly powerful internet presence you need for a sailing dinghy.

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