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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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Touring caravans with built in traction motors and batteries already exist and can restore some or all of that lost range. I don't see that happening with boat trailers anytime soon though (and if it does I suspect the trailer will cost more than the boat
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Touring caravan industry worth 9.3 billion pounds in 2020 and directly employs over 130,000 people, this figure doesn't take into account employees in supply and transport of goods to caravan manufacturers etc, going to be a major blow if it all grinds to a halt.
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My new camper has significantly better economy than my previous tow car, and about the same as my current BMW520d
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The thing is that the ban won't be on owning or running ICE cars but on selling new ones, and that won't be until 2030 at the earliest so diesel and petrol cars will still be available and relatively commonplace for at least 10-20 years after that, i.e. 2050 or later (by which time, if I'm still around, I'll be 97). What will have a bigger impact on ICE vehicle use will be the availability and cost of petrol and diesel fuel.
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When people are forced to adopt EVs for their only car, then there will be a need for more charging stations. At the moment, none of the people I know with BEVs ever use a charging station, they just charge at home. Except my neighbour who's done trips to 'The North' about every 6 months. Two planned snack and charge stops each way. Probably wasted an hour of his time, whereas I waste 10 minutes buying fuel most weeks.
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Leisure oriented car use will change when the ICE ban comes in, people who can afford it will have a electric car for general use and a ICE for distance and grunt work, will spend most of its time on the drive.
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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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I can tell with my diesel car, that towing a dinghy impacts MPG, if I ever get to tow at a steady speed. Also the drag of a canoe on the roof makes a noticeable difference. The flip side is that EVs can be very economical when traffic is slower. As a two car household, one EV would work for us, but they need to get cheaper. The number of people I know getting electric cars seems to be roughly equla to the number buying gas guzzling camper vans...
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A2Z, I forecast good condition ICE tow cars will be worth their weight in gold, electric cars aren't going to be much better in eight years time.
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Sam.Spoons ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401 |
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I'm pretty sure towing a boat will have nowhere near the same impact on range as towing a caravan but it will still makes most EV's unsuitable for getting to events (or pretty much going on any holiday destination you would drive to). Unless you have on site charging available (and I doubt many camp caravan or camp sites will have the infrastructure to charge a significant number of EVs in the foreseeable future*) you are going to have to expend a significant proportion of your holiday charging the car or extend your journey times by, maybe, 50%.
* My holiday destination is 120 miles away so probably doable towing the boat but they already have to resort to a large diesel generator to supplement the grid electricity at busy times, adding 200 EV's would probably take out the entire island's grid...
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Yes, but the extent of the range drop is alarming! A claimed range of 330 miles, real world of 230 miles (not towing) but only 100 miles towing. One hundred miles… can’t get to an Inland’s and back on that!
And turning the lights, wipers and a/c on takes off another 50 miles. I was looking at a new car and normally I keep them 8 years or so to keep total cost down. Would have gone for a 3 series touring but am worried that buying ICE might hammer residuals in 8 years time, but family size EVs are crazy expensive and hybrids have no boot space. So I’ll keep my car another 8 years.
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