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    Posted: 25 Sep 07 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by catmandoo

 
With an online petition we can get all our fellow cat sailors and clubs to add their names to and will give us something to target our dissaproval with. For every cat sailor that writes in a forum there must be 100 that agree but wont speak out , but I bet they can be persuaded to sign a petition. Nor do they have to be specific cat sailors , just sailors with an interest in competition , sailing developement and overall fairness.

Catmandoo, if you could set that up that would be great. If you are not going to have time perhaps someone else who has the technology/knowledge could do it?

As a back-stop we can do a hard copy petition at the Grafham Cat Open which will probably net 200+ signatures but an online petition seems like a better move in the short term.

What do you think?

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Originally posted by MerlinMags

I don't sail cats....but am still outraged at this announcement. The diversity of a 'set' of classes (RYA or Olympic) requires at least 1 catamaran, just like it needs both singlehander and doublehanders, or skiffs and keelboats.

An online petition is not hard to set up, there are various websites that host them. Best to make sure that between you, you don't unknowlingly set up several!

Do you work for Y&Y? How about YOU setting up an online petition for us if Catmandoo cannot?

We could draft the words of the petition if you can do the clever bit?

What do you say?

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i'm up to the eyeballs at moment, praps not best for the job either , someone with a less jaundiced view of life may be more suitable , and better informed !

 

online petition I reckon is way to go .

 

What i can do though is once one is up is bandy it about to help get max signatures
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Online petition is here, please sign it:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/CatamaranSubmission/index .html

I have put some initial wording in and will amend it in due course, (suggestions are welcome).

Please email it to all of your sailing contacts.


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Corr - that was quick!

Jon has put the following words

"The RYA has recently made a submission to ISAF to remove the catamaran as a youth boat for 2009, and to remove the catamaran as an Olympic boat for 2012.

These submissions by the RYA were made without any consultation with the community.

Please send this petition to all of your sailing friends (catamaran sailors or not).

Sign this petition to show your objection to this move by the RYA."

Can I suggest that we change the words to:

"The RYA has recently made submissions to ISAF to remove the catamaran as a youth boat for 2009, and to remove the catamaran as an Olympic boat for 2012.

These submissions by the RYA were made without any consultation with the sailing community. We request that the submissions are withdrawn before the ISAF conference in early November and replaced by alternative submissions which support the use of catamarans both in future Olympics (2012 and beyond) and for youth training.

Please send this petition to all of your sailing friends"
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looks good and do it quick , and make it final ,

 

he done it and signatures rolling in (edit )

 

 



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Sprint Bob, that sounds better than my rushed attempt.  I have updated the petition accordingly.
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Well done Jon.

I have signed the petition and I also believe that Y&Y is planning pieces on this subject in the next two issues of the magazine.

We can all raise awareness through our own club and class association forums and mailing lists. Is the catamaran.co.uk mailing list still going?

Comments on the wording:

We should probably refer to the RYA submissions 103-07 and 129-07 (that allows people to find the source documents- maybe with hyperlinks). In fact 103-07 doesn't actually give the RYAs position on the 2012 Olympic Multihull, it simply fails to propose it, which is not quite the same as them actively recommending to drop the youth multihull from 2009 onwards.
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Originally posted by Olly H

I also believe that Y&Y is planning pieces on this subject in the next two issues of the magazine.

This is great news.

Originally posted by Olly H


We should probably refer to the RYA submissions 103-07 and 129-07 (that allows people to find the source documents- maybe with hyperlinks). In fact 103-07 doesn't actually give the RYAs position on the 2012 Olympic Multihull, it simply fails to propose it, which is not quite the same as them actively recommending to drop the youth multihull from 2009 onwards.



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Well done John

Don't forget the wifes an girlfriends as theres nothing worse than a cat sailor with a bad head!!!!!!
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