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Poll Question: Should there be one on the market
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    Posted: 01 Nov 11 at 9:04am
I wish I'd thought of it myself... tighten them toestraps up for light wind sitting on the side evening racing, as soon as it's windy and a bit too much like hard work clip on baby!

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Originally posted by haroosh

Just one final point reflecting on this is if the mps guys don't think a cut down rig is worth doing it might be worth considering a cut down 700.... I have always much preferred the mps but the 700 is more stable and now with prices beig much lower the boat is open to a wider group now. A cut down rig also with the wide wings and granny bars could be an interesting proposition??? I wonder if RS have ever considered it? The 100, 300 and 600 all have smaller rig options so what about a scaled down 700 rig. Could breath new life into what seems like a very localized class on the south coast. I am only aware of 2 in Scotland.
Mmmmm.......
   The cut down main for the RS700 was at Carsington for two years with the demo boat, I can not see why so many people get put off by weight limits made up by people on forums, a sailors weight is only a small percentage with the skill required to sail a boat well, once you buy a boat you can put any sail you like on it untill you race it at opens, also the Farr 3.7 looks a great boat for any weight if you live at garda with a force 5 every day.
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OK lets forget about cut down sails for existing trapeze singlehanders. You still have to deal with the weight of the boat on the beach or in a capsize. Also you are trying to drive the same wetted surface area with less power.
 
I know 50% of my household would love a trapeze singlehander designed for them. The mid weight for this boat should be about 60kg.
 
So what do we currently encourage our Topper (any age as adults learn & race in these too) or Oppie sailors to move into. The answer is usually the Laser and this puts a lot of them off.
 
So yes there is a market for such a boat. I did think about getting a Solution hull and adding a trapeze rig.
 
Could we borrow the 3.7 for one of our Winter Series races??
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Farr 3.7 seems to do the job for the original question... can't help but wander though about all this need for 'new' singlehanders... to my mind, there's still a gap in the market for a decent, two handed boat for 60-70kg x2 crew (tops 75kg).  V3000 hasn't really taken off, and seems a bit cramped to me, would have thought it was possible to design something RS500 sized but lighter and more liberally canvassed?
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Originally posted by getafix

Farr 3.7 seems to do the job for the original question... can't help but wander though about all this need for 'new' singlehanders... to my mind, there's still a gap in the market for a decent, two handed boat for 60-70kg x2 crew (tops 75kg).  V3000 hasn't really taken off, and seems a bit cramped to me, would have thought it was possible to design something RS500 sized but lighter and more liberally canvassed?

like a 29er?
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Originally posted by getafix

Farr 3.7 seems to do the job for the original question... can't help but wander though about all this need for 'new' singlehanders... to my mind, there's still a gap in the market for a decent, two handed boat for 60-70kg x2 crew (tops 75kg).  V3000 hasn't really taken off, and seems a bit cramped to me, would have thought it was possible to design something RS500 sized but lighter and more liberally canvassed?
  I think you need to look around at the local sailing clubs to see the new trend, sell the new boats and get a solo, if you want good racing get a solo, also the numbers are down with a lot of us getting old, The laser is a great boat for the young with good racing, any new boat will take years to get off the ground, the first post has the answer, laser 2s with a new rig and some good fun events that put the fun into the sport. ps NEVER been in a solo.
   How many people posting have got access to 7 grand?

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Originally posted by Wrighty

Originally posted by haroosh

Just one final point reflecting on this is if the mps guys don't think a cut down rig is worth doing it might be worth considering a cut down 700.... I have always much preferred the mps but the 700 is more stable and now with prices beig much lower the boat is open to a wider group now. A cut down rig also with the wide wings and granny bars could be an interesting proposition??? I wonder if RS have ever considered it? The 100, 300 and 600 all have smaller rig options so what about a scaled down 700 rig. Could breath new life into what seems like a very localized class on the south coast. I am only aware of 2 in Scotland.
Mmmmm.......
   The cut down main for the RS700 was at Carsington for two years with the demo boat, I can not see why so many people get put off by weight limits made up by people on forums, a sailors weight is only a small percentage with the skill required to sail a boat well, once you buy a boat you can put any sail you like on it untill you race it at opens, also the Farr 3.7 looks a great boat for any weight if you live at garda with a force 5 every day.
 
Hi Wrighty,
I completely agree that weight is only one aspect and skill is a huge factor - Dan is a good example. However I was simply coming from the objective of trying a discuss a potential boat class that many people could sail as opposed to one person putting a cut down sail on their own boat for club racing. The 100 is a great example of demonstrating that sail area is important as I sail the 8.4 and in anything over a force 2 the 10.2 is physically too much for me uphill. I cannot defy the laws of physics with the righting moment I have so if I cant hold the power I need to lose it hence immediately disadvantaging myself verus heavier folk with that rig. So sail area and rig selection is quite important to boat selection in my opinion.
I was not aware of the 700 trial so its nice to know it was at least tried.
Cheers,
Keith.
 
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Originally posted by Wrighty

Originally posted by getafix

Farr 3.7 seems to do the job for the original question... can't help but wander though about all this need for 'new' singlehanders... to my mind, there's still a gap in the market for a decent, two handed boat for 60-70kg x2 crew (tops 75kg).  V3000 hasn't really taken off, and seems a bit cramped to me, would have thought it was possible to design something RS500 sized but lighter and more liberally canvassed?
  I think you need to look around at the local sailing clubs to see the new trend, sell the new boats and get a solo, if you want good racing get a solo, also the numbers are down with a lot of us getting old, The laser is a great boat for the young with good racing, any new boat will take years to get off the ground, the first post has the answer, laser 2s with a new rig and some good fun events that put the fun into the sport. ps NEVER been in a solo.
 
Solo??? Come on.
I appretiate the racing aspect and its a class that is doing great up Norf aswell but having sailed one many years ago I found them so much work for so little reward. Very slow but I take the point about good class racing.
Also I'm afraid the Solo is not for lightweights either. All the guys up here sailing them must be at least mid 70's+kg's.
The one thing I do like about the Solos up here is the one day racing format which makes balancing sailing events with family life much easier.
 
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Originally posted by haroosh

Originally posted by Wrighty

Originally posted by haroosh

Just one final point reflecting on this is if the mps guys don't think a cut down rig is worth doing it might be worth considering a cut down 700.... I have always much preferred the mps but the 700 is more stable and now with prices beig much lower the boat is open to a wider group now. A cut down rig also with the wide wings and granny bars could be an interesting proposition??? I wonder if RS have ever considered it? The 100, 300 and 600 all have smaller rig options so what about a scaled down 700 rig. Could breath new life into what seems like a very localized class on the south coast. I am only aware of 2 in Scotland.
Mmmmm.......
   The cut down main for the RS700 was at Carsington for two years with the demo boat, I can not see why so many people get put off by weight limits made up by people on forums, a sailors weight is only a small percentage with the skill required to sail a boat well, once you buy a boat you can put any sail you like on it untill you race it at opens, also the Farr 3.7 looks a great boat for any weight if you live at garda with a force 5 every day.
 
Hi Wrighty,
I completely agree that weight is only one aspect and skill is a huge factor - Dan is a good example. However I was simply coming from the objective of trying a discuss a potential boat class that many people could sail as opposed to one person putting a cut down sail on their own boat for club racing. The 100 is a great example of demonstrating that sail area is important as I sail the 8.4 and in anything over a force 2 the 10.2 is physically too much for me uphill. I cannot defy the laws of physics with the righting moment I have so if I cant hold the power I need to lose it hence immediately disadvantaging myself verus heavier folk with that rig. So sail area and rig selection is quite important to boat selection in my opinion.
I was not aware of the 700 trial so its nice to know it was at least tried.
Cheers,
Keith.
 
 Hi Keith
  My post was in general and not a reply to your posts, I have to say that on the Musto for me the boat is harder to sail in a force 3 than a force 4 to 6, The national at Mounts Baywe had light winds for the first two days and in and out was the order of the day, as you become overpower in the Musto it is no harder to sail as you just foot off and go faster upwind, if you sail it at 3 dec to windward the helm very light and all the hard work is taken by the trapeze. Downwind is not demanding as all the effort is still on the trapeze once you have master the boat it well behaved. My point is that with the right rig and once you put trapeze in the title overpowerd is not painfull like most boats, with a trapeze boat you should aim at the light side of the class weight limit for pain free sailing. The reason for me trying to go 75kgs is to take the stess off my body as I get older in the force two winds, 30 years in a laser 1 has taken its toll.
   
  
 


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Originally posted by Contender443

OK lets forget about cut down sails for existing trapeze singlehanders. You still have to deal with the weight of the boat on the beach or in a capsize. Also you are trying to drive the same wetted surface area with less power.
 

I know 50% of my household would love a trapeze singlehander designed for them. The mid weight for this boat should be about 60kg.

 

So what do we currently encourage our Topper (any age as adults learn & race in these too) or Oppie sailors to move into. The answer is usually the Laser and this puts a lot of them off.

 

So yes there is a market for such a boat. I did think about getting a Solution hull and adding a trapeze rig.

 

Could we borrow the 3.7 for one of our Winter Series races??


... I think the real solution is already in the family... buy yourself some wadders and you can even help them launch the RS100x

http://www.ldcsailing.com/ronstan-trapeze-ring.ir?cName=boat-parts-multi-class-hardware-trapeze-rings-and-handles

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