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swiftsolo.org 
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 Topic: 2 Man Boat for FattiesPosted: 17 Jan 06 at 10:18pm |
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Firstly I should state that the trapeze option for the 59er is currently only adopted by 2 of us in Brisbane, Australia. It is a bit of fun to upgrade the upwind performance in 15 knots plus of breeze. The class hasn't adopted this as such. Secondly the 59er does carry weight very well. A few months ago I took a novice crew out racing in about 12 knots of breeze. I weigh 90kg and he weighs 110kg. I set the rig up for power and in a couple off puffs I actually needed to start depowering the rig! I can assure people that as a hiking boat the 59er would probably benefit from weight if it is sailed in a breezy location. The Swift Solo which I am building also handles weight well as a singlehanded option. (shameless plug) |
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lozza
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 7:42pm |
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Modern 505's are built of epoxy carbon/kevlar and cannot be thought of
as old fashioned. The big problem is the cost of the new boats,
but as far as weight carrying 2-man high-performance boats, a decent
505 can't be beat.
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Life's a reach, then you gybe
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allanorton
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 6:41pm |
The phantom is of lightweight construction with a very controlable rig, yet is only really suitable for 85-105kg helms. Surely a two man boat can be built using the latest lightweight construction techniques, but still happily carry 200kg! |
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rich96
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 6:03pm |
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The problem seems to be that the newer generation of performance boats are mostly of lightweight construction which results in them more being affected by the crew weight than som eof the traditional classes. This, allied to the ability to produce more controllable rigs, appears to favour the lighter sailor (I know a number of guys who are large, but not in any way huge, who complain that they have a very limited choice of boat if they want to helm). If you are on the larger side it seems that you can sail a 505, Osprey, Javelin, Finn, Phantom and thats about it. Mind you it pleasing to see that the Italian who won the Contender Worlds weighed in at over 93kg. |
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gordon
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 5:35pm |
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Dear Shingle - I didn't say that performance wasn't necessary - but asking any two man hiking dinghy to beat an extreme two wire skiff is setting the target unnecessarily, and unrealistically, high.
Rich96 - I agree with you about the Wayfarer - which is why I've got one sitting in the front garden being got prepared for next season! But it is hardly either fast or lightweight - just a really good boat for local conditions (open exposed coastline 2/3 knot currents and regular doses of radiation because the Brits can't run a clean factory at Selarfield!).
As some of you may have gathered the increasing discrimination against the weighter sailors is something I feel strongly about.
Gordon
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rich96
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 5:06pm |
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If ultimate performance is not crucial get a Wayfarer. Despite people generally saying that they are slow, heavy etc they are actually great boats and will benefit from some beef on board. In racing trim they go really well in most condition, seem to do well in handicap arcaing and have some great class racing. They may not be particularly fashionable (especially with the skiff loving brigade) but can be sailed all all venues and can be very exciting when its breezy (when many other boats are upside down). |
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Shingle
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 4:43pm |
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Gordon the brief earlier was for performance, but if it isn't then there must be a multitude of old wooden tubs who'd love you to re-awaken there class just keep looking!
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Drink Feck girls!
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russell
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 4:41pm |
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I think it would be quite challenging to get a class going for a reasonably small proportion of the population these days. Maybe hang around a 505 open meeting and sign up as crew - you would probably be very popular!
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Russell
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gordon
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 4:25pm |
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Two points : Russell - heavy weight does not mean larger than average...I would suggest that heavy weight could be defines as the heaviest 10% of the population fit enough to sail dinghies. That should be alarge enough niche for a class (not necessarily a SMOD)
Shingle - who said anything about beating a 49er. I would be satisfied to sail a class that gives good tight racing, safe in the knowledge that the sponsor's T shirdt would fit...
Gordon
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Shingle
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Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 3:36pm |
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The 59er will carry more weight easily, we've taken my children out in it and there's no real deteriation in performance. If you want a boat that can carry more than 30 stone and beat a 49er you really are in a niche that no builder will provide for. Anything that can carry more than that will have a dart board pinned the the mast! As earlier in this thread sports boats like the 1720 and SB3 are picking up this market. |
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