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Poll Question: Should there be one on the market
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4 [9.76%]
0 [0.00%]
12 [29.27%]
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4 [9.76%]
2 [4.88%]
19 [46.34%]
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    Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by winging it


I am pretty sure the H&S requirments would be the same for any boat........
Apart from the Finn, with its finger slicer...
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heh, my kestrel has one too...
the same, but different...

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For clarity: Farr 3.7 competitive weight range - 50kg >75kg

My son at 14 and 42kg would have no problem sailing the Farr untill his skill level against lightweight gave out i guess at around f5. In the majority of the UKs weather he would be very fast.

They sail the Farr up to 80kg odd in NZ as the average wind strength is higher.

I'm at the top of that weight range 75kg, but am short 5'3" and at 45 have allowed the middle age spread to get on top of me a bit and should be a good 5-7kg lighter. In the short amount of sailing I have had in the Farr I am trapping at around 10 mph.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 6:27pm
The RS600, with its optional wide wings and reefable sail is one pretty good option.
Farr 3.7 looks interesting.
It depends what you want from trapezing, is it ultimate performance, or learning the skills?
A real athlete's machine or a capable fast boat that you don't have to sit out in F5?
Flat water or waves?
What sort of design windstrength? A contender is a pretty good trapeze boat for lightweights if they want to get out on the wire on nice sunny days, just the big boys will blast past when the breeze is up.
Lightweights include  a lot of younger people who find £10k for a new boat harder to find than us middle aged fatties. So maybe if the lightweights are not snapping up RS600's for a couple of grand, there isn't such a market? Or maybe the market is 'youth' (i.e. my generation buying for their kids!), in which case it needs to be pitched at 14 year-olds, in terms of weight and marketing.


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I'm nicely in the middle of that weight range and I've just been looking at youtube vids of Farr 3.7s whizzing along. Looks really good. I had a contender for a while but wasn't much good in the sort of winds that real contender sailors look forward to! But the contender is a very well behaved boat in lots of ways. It doesn't try to tip you out as soon as you step aboard! At my club we launch down a slipway and then have to sail along a narrow dyke for a short distance before we get to open water. Skiffy type boats like the rs700, Musto and rs600 are not very user-friendly, especially if you want to go out practising by yourself. At least with the contender, I could sail whenever I liked.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dan MPS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Wrighty




"I think you have successfully debunked the hype that a Standard Musto can be sailed by lightweights with that comment"
  No, The world champ is a lightweight at the moment, also the Main that Dan used was like a Radial to the standard laser rig, you need to go smaller like the 4.7 rig on the laser, all you can say is that a lightweight will have problems sailing the musto in a force 5 on the sea, put a very small sail on the Musto and you can get afloat in the windy stuff and have great fun in a force 2 to 3 in a normal rig.
   For me the contruction of the hull is the main problem if you want to lend the musto to the young, you have to treat the Musto with respect, not drag it up the shoreline like a topper.
  Any new boat will cost lots of money, best change a current boat like the 8.1 rig on the laser only £300 to change it. No money out there at the moment?




So at 76kg and 5'8"? The WORLD CHAMP uses a small sail... enough said.
I would just like to clear up that I am 6 foot, 74kg and the worldchampion in the standard musto. I did some development with the small sail for the class association.
I think the farr 3.7 looks like a good boat, but from the voting at the top it seems people want a skiff type boat with an assymetric. if thats what people want then i dont think that there is a boat currently on the market. However i dont think that there is a large enough target market?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote haroosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 8:57pm
So that said then Dan if market not big enough then surely taking a boat already around and modifying rig as you guys experimented is the easiest option. Ok so not maybe cheap enough for youngsters it could tick the box for smaller lighter folk. I will now shut up before mr hijack puts his picture out again.
I hope the mps class re visit the concept again....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote haroosh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 9:05pm
Just one final point reflecting on this is if the mps guys don't think a cut down rig is worth doing it might be worth considering a cut down 700.... I have always much preferred the mps but the 700 is more stable and now with prices beig much lower the boat is open to a wider group now. A cut down rig also with the wide wings and granny bars could be an interesting proposition??? I wonder if RS have ever considered it? The 100, 300 and 600 all have smaller rig options so what about a scaled down 700 rig. Could breath new life into what seems like a very localized class on the south coast. I am only aware of 2 in Scotland.
Mmmmm.......
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Keith- add a wire to the 100 and buy a 10.2... simples
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sorted!
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