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    Posted: 24 Jun 05 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by Guest#260



1. The 49er is an exception due to the Olympic
effect but I'd claim that the 29er and Musto are responsibly following a
market penetration and development strategy which is good for the long
term for the classes and the sport.<o:p></o:p></SPAN>





2.

PS If the hull shape changes dramatically due to new rig on the
Cherub then anyone who has just brought a new boat is a little stuffed ...
as far as I can see the 12's in Aus are all rounded and Cherubs are slab
sided - very different. One must be wrong?





1. I agree totally

2. Not necessarily. Although I am not that up on the history /
development of 12 ft skiff. But one thing is very different and that is the
size of our rigs and this has a big part to play on how up right you can
sail the boats. Plus if one is better than the other you can cut if off or
stick a chine on.

i14 are have chines and have a much bigger rig than us.


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Originally posted by Black no sugar

Phew, Jack! You're going to hurt yourself,
thinking this hard! Still, you've got a classic line


Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Deprecation is all dependant upon when
you buy into a class


and self-deprecation if you buy a Skipper...   




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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow



come on get your heart racing... you know you want to   

I'm happy sailing the Musto now and the wife in her Raidal but if the class stabalises and a new rig second hand boat is available I may be tempted but I'm not interested in the building or fixing side - I just want to sail.

Seems that fiddling and gluing things is part of Cherub ownership - I have no interest in that; if the class did what the Merlins and 12's have done and found a builder who produced an of the shelf version then I think it would benefit the class as many people like me need all their spare time to sail and don't want to waste any of it fixing or building boats - for some that is all part of the fun for many it is not hence the explosion in SMOD's. If the class is smart it will address that fact.

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The class has spent alot of time and effort in addressing this very fact. And the class now has 4 builders who will sell off the shelf cherubs. These are:

RMW: -http://www.rmwmarine.com

Bloodaxe:- http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk

Aardvark Racing:- http://www.aardvarkracing.co.uk

DL Boats:- http://www.dlboats.co.uk

The only reason I tend to build and repiar parts for my boats myself is because it is much cheaper to do it that way. I am a student and so don't have alot of spare cash for sailing so I tend to bodge things to keep Strawberry on the water. If you can afford it then you can buy an off the shelf Cherub, and have it repaired profesionally.

And as for the round hull v. chines debate, that's all "horses for courses". I believe chines, vertical sides, and narrow waterlines tend to have a higher potential speed, but are much more difficult to sail as it is far more important to keep them flat. The 12ft skiffs carry ridiculous sail areas and it difficult enough as it is to keep the boats upright, without aggrevating the problem with chines, slab sides, etc. Therefore they tend to use the more forgiving "round" hull shape.



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Rick, you obviously haven't tried a 4000.  I too agree that the 800 is a bit much to sail with your Mrs and the 29er is for youths/lightwieghts but the 4000 has a wide weight range, is fast and is low on depreciation.  Being a SMOD it may fade in the future but at the moment it has a niche which nobody else is trying to exploit.  It has one talent which has to be experienced - upwind in a blow and a chop.  Second hand "Aston Martins" (heavy and fast) of the dinghy world are very reasonable - try one.
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Yes I have; they are too heavy and I don't want to sit out ...

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I have to say I like the Musto Skiff as a boat. It seems a bit different from  some of the other smod classes in that the spread seems more by recommendation and people going sailing in one and buying one the next week than advertising


Historicaly development in the UK cherubs has been slow with the ocational jump. in the last 25 years the top boats have usualy managed four or five nationals wins followed by several top five placings so you do not get a huge ammount of depreciation in terms of compettitivness

As far as chines go on cherub hulls who knows what will happen we know have one almost chineless UK cherub and there are 12' skiffs with chines Alex Vallings Nuplex is hard chined and slab sided compared to other 12's and have a look at this R class in design

http://www.rclass.org/info/construction/leech-mkiii/render ings



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Originally posted by Strawberry


And as for the round hull v. chines debate, that's all "horses for courses". I believe chines, vertical sides, and narrow waterlines tend to have a higher potential speed, but are much more difficult to sail as it is far more important to keep them flat. The 12ft skiffs carry ridiculous sail areas and it difficult enough as it is to keep the boats upright, without aggrevating the problem with chines, slab sides, etc. Therefore they tend to use the more forgiving "round" hull shape.


As strawberry has said, it depends, chines are fast if the boat is kept upright, proof of this is in F1 powerboating!! however with the amount of sail area the 12s carry then chines maybe a bit harder to handle! It may also relate to the waterline length? a boat limited to 12 ft but with so much sail area downwind it may indeed be faster to be shapped like a pointy pebble!

As for the pic, thats one nice shaped r class skiff!!!

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Originally posted by Granite

I have to say I like the Musto Skiff as a boat. It seems a bit different from  some of the other smod classes in that the spread seems more by recommendation and people going sailing in one and buying one the next week than advertising

The Musto SKiff class has grown organically. The owners are the best sales force anyone could ask for and the best ad for the product.

This has ment that the class initially got off to a slightly slow start as other copy cat products that hyped the market but in the end of the day quality tells and last year and this year the MPS will be the largest selling boat of it's type by a country mile.

There is also a lot of work going on the sell boats overseas with almost 40% of all boats sold going overseas.

All this bodes well for a long-term international class.

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