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    Posted: 13 Apr 05 at 2:40pm

Originally posted by lemeouttahere

fireballs go best on 2 sail reaches, a friend of mine sails a 29er an we totally smoked him on the two sailers.

Are Fireballs pretty poor on 3 sail reaches then?
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fireballs go best on 2 sail reaches, a friend of mine sails a 29er an we totally smoked him on the two sailers.
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yeah they are good from what i saw. And he is amazing.
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Here's some links to articles by one of the British greats - Mike McNamara.

http://www.angelfire.com/de2/WIT/MacSpiRigFly.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/de2/WIT/MacSpiGybe.htm
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yeah wait for a good day with medium winds, and have fun.
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Thanks for allthe advice, now all i need to do is hope for decent wheather to try it.
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Crewing to win is a must read if you want to get up to speed. You can often get second hand copies on Amazon for a fiver. The crew can make a big difference to boatspeed.

The best two bits of advice (otehr than read the above book) would be to remember that slow and right first time is much faster than rush and get it wrong and that communication is a two way process between Helm and Crew.
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yeah learn to gybe. Very important if you dont want to go swimming, also you can gain masses. I wouldnt necesseraly agree about the dead down wind thing, but that is probably more class dependant.

Tips:

  • Always play the kite. Dont keep it still, let the sheet out untill the front of the kite curls then pull it back in just a little bit so that it isnt breaking but just on the edge, Keep adjusting it to make sure the it is always at its optimum.
  • Pole height - let the sail out till it curls and watch where on the kite this happens first, If it happens in the middle third then the pole it the right height.  Higher than this it is too high, lower too low.
  • If the kite Collapses from the windward edge it needs to be pulled in a bit (a short sharp tug is the best in my experience this makes the kite fil quicker than pulling it backwards slowly)
  • If it Collapses from the middle of the kite then you need to let it out more as the main is sheilding the kite from the wind and it wont fill, (so if the whole of the kite goes at the same time)

Other things to look at are should you take the sheet over or under the main sheet, (depends upon the wind and point of sailing),
Where you should sit - some helms like their crews sitting on the leeward side (boat is ballenced well but crew cant always see kite) and soem allow the crew to sit on windward deck, (crew can se kite but helm cant see everything) - only applicable in light to med. winds.

Hope that this is helpfull. Admitidly this is all based upon the classes I have sailed and I havent sailed a Fireball but looking at the kite at the weekend it does seem a smilar cut so shourl behave the same. (Oh just realised the fireball is trapeze so the bit about where to sit may be a bit weird)
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Originally posted by 5420

you set the poll starting a 90 dogreas from going down a ded run moving it foward as you head up on to a reach

Actually in most symmetrical classes you don't sail on a dead run. You want some flow across the kite. Something around 150-160 degrees apparent is usually as low as you go, although it depends on the class and the breeze. The pole should come back as far as possible without choking the flow between kite and jib. Exactly how far is class-dependent; a longer pole means it can come back further.

The best advice to the OP is to read a book and I also like the Fernhurst series. It is a big complicated subject. The priority is: learn to gybe. This is the area that gives inexperienced crew the biggest problems. 
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Quite a few Fireballs seem to have chutes..........well mine does!

 

By the way go for the oppertunity cos its quite a speedy boart once its on the plane on a 3 sail reach
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