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    Posted: 04 Jun 07 at 9:55pm

I was in exactly the same position as you a few months ago. I am 36 and decided to buy a 700 (birthday present to myself) after quite a few years of doing not much dinghy sailing.

I flatter myself that I used to be reasonably good and was pretty confident with my old Contender a few years back (ie more than 10 years). So I thought that it wouldnt be too hard to get going in the 700 - mistake.

Went out the first time in around 5 - 7 knots and found it reasonably OK, although it was obvious that it was a lot less stable than the Contender. Next time out, the wind got up from around 5 knots to a good 12 - 15. Upwind it was fine, but then I tried to go downhill a bit and it all went wrong. Started swimming a lot and had problems getting home (although no difficulty getting her back upright). Although quite fit, I got tired quite quickly.

I know it is early days yet, but it put me off a little to the extent that I am questioning whether it was the right decision to buy the 7. I think I might have been better off getting something slightly easier to handle for a while, at least while I found my feet again in dinghies.

The choice for me at the time was the Assy Vortex, the 600, a Vareo and various others (including a decent laser). Other sailing friends encouraged me to go straight for the 7 (based on their own experience of what they, and others, had sailed at various clubs). With hindsight, I think a Contender or the Vortex might have been the better bet for at least a couple of seasons.

Am now going to get some training with people who know how to sail the 7 better than I and will practice a bit in the club's Lasers to get my confidence back up.

In short, the 7 is great fun and super quick. However, it is a real handful and if you are not sure you can move up to it from what you have been sailing to date then consider an intermediate step for a season or two first. Put it this way, it is a lot harder to sail than I remember the Contender being (athough this could be because I have very fond memories of the Contender). If I was buying again, I would definitely go for something slightly easier first and then the 700 in a few years time.

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Originally posted by Jim Mitch

IThe choice for me at the time was the Assy Vortex, the 600, a Vareo and various others (including a decent laser).

If I may ask, why was a Vareo discounted ?

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Originally posted by Jim Mitch

Started swimming a lot and had problems getting home (although no difficulty getting her back upright). Although quite fit, I got tired quite quickly.

I know it is early days yet, but it put me off a little to the extent that I am questioning whether it was the right decision to buy the 7.

Good post Jim. The 'I'm not sure I can get this thing home' feeling while swimming around a capsized boat in the middle of the sea *again* is not nice esp in a singlehander.

The other thing to consider is what kind of environment you will be learning to sail it. If you have good safety cover with no racing going on to go out, fine. This is usually not the case; most clubs only have safety cover while racing and you really don't want to be causing a scene in the middle of a race. This leaves taking the boat out with no safety which, if you cannot handle it, is a accident waiting to happen.

The best way to learn is to have mate in a rib near you to offer advice and help you. Unfortunately this isn't usually practical.

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Much sense in Jim Mitch's post. 

Glad to see that someone agrees that skiffs are not learners boats.   Assy Vortex sounds like a good plan to get used to trapeze helming and trimming kite. 

One other thing to bear in mind is that the safety boat crews won't thank you for relying on them to save you if you can't handle this boat you have bought.  Safety boats are there to help if something goes wrong, they are not there for a fallback position should you buy a boat that is beyond your capabilities.  "All the gear and no idea" may come to mind. 



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The decision not to go for the Vareo was mostly due to my ego (thinking I could master the 700 quite quickly) and peer pressure (people saying that I would get bored of it quite quickly). Same was true of the Vortex. 

I accepted that I would do a lot of swimming to start with and that I needed to be quite fit to sail it. I didnt realise quite how much swimming.

The "rescue boat reputation" is another thing that has put me off sailing the 700. I dont want to be "the one who occupies the attention of one RIB for every race where it blows over Force 3". This factor has contributed to the knock my confidence has taken.  

For what it's worth, I am considering getting rid of the 700 and replacing it with something simpler for a while. If I thought I could do it without losing too much money I think I would (although I'm also keen not to quit before I've really given it a proper go).

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Where are you based? I will follow you in a power boat and advise, take you out sailing if needed! I need the instructing experience and have nothing but free time on my hands until September.

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This might be a bit more of a challenge than some ... and a bit easier than others.  Photo last month - Solent
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jack Sparrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 07 at 4:03pm
Ummm... sort of why I keep pointing out why this would be a good idea.

As for going straight to MPS / RS700 and ego's that's the down side of asking advice, people will always push there own limits when they are giving it, it's a differnet matter when you are splashing the cash and doing it.

Go for a Vortex Assy, like I said it's the best option for you.






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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hector Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Jun 07 at 12:34am

Quite a few saying go for a Vortex. If you (or anyone else)  wants to try one, either PM me or contact the class association via the 'contact us' link at http://www.sailvortex.org

Alternatively come along to the Northern Championships at Yorkshire Dales SC this weekend and I'm sure we can arrange for you to have a trial sail. 



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