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    Posted: 20 Oct 06 at 3:21am

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I would go for 'Swift Solo Class International Association' myself...

Sorry but that is so silly sounding. Why do you care so much about where or if the word "international" is in the name? Do you have some stake in the ISAF? Nowhere do we claim to be a ISAF sanctionned class. At some point when we can afford the dues, we most likely will.

And to think that I thought the French and Americans were anal about who owned what and who could use what word. It is the "International Swift Solo Class Association" and is deemed to be so by its governing body. We soon hope to have an "Australian Swift Solo Class Association" and an association in any other country that has enough boats to support one. I guess they'll have to take thier name up with thier government to find out if they can use their country's name in their name as well.

Say Fugu, how about "The International Swift Skiff Association"?  May have to check with the International Association of Associations to get permission to use the word "association" and I can see where that might lead to the "associated" controversy!  In the scheme of things, this is important stuff.  Actually, we choose the name knowing that we'll meet the ISAF definition reasonably soon and don't want the hassle of changing our non-profit name at that time (a bit lazy, I'd agree) 

Speaking of good water! I choose this picture because it may be one of the last times I get to cross in front of you (looks like I'm bracing for the hit)

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Bram,

You can't use that skiff word - only Aussies can have boats called skiffs

The only bad news I have for you is that when we get on the water with our Aussie designed sails and masts - the only thing you'll be seeing is our wake

The first regatta with the differently rigged boats should be a lot of fun.
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You can't use that skiff word - only Aussies can have boats called skiffs

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Bram,

You can't use that skiff word - only Aussies can have boats called skiffs

 

The first regatta with the differently rigged boats should be a lot of fun.

Geez, I forgot Steve .  Can you tell me why that is again?  

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Bram, that looks like last year. This year you got to see my transom a couple times.

Since you and Roger have been practicing so much together, I think I'll continue to be an also ran.
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Originally posted by TeamFugu

Bram, that looks like last year. This year you got to see my transom a couple times.

Since you and Roger have been practicing so much together, I think I'll continue to be an also ran.

Ah mate, I'm getting old and slow.  Not so old that those Aussies will cross in front (I suspect my flag drapped casket will be faster than that) but what I'm gaining in knowledge, I'm losing in speed and agility.  I'm really looking forward to getting some experienced young skiff sailors going.  Imagine how fast you could tack if you simple headed out on the new tack without hooking up.  Watching Charlie after 45 minutes in the boat was an eye opener to the possibilites.  Some day we'll see tacking and gybing duels in the Swift that will bring a lot of additional excitement to skiff sailing.  The high boom and clean deck combined with the fact that there is only one body to coordinate with the rate of rotation will surely take us there.

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Actually I think that our class is closer to being able lay claim to being a "skiff class" than many of the others - including the Musto Performance Skiff.

Why?

  • We can design our sails and mast with some restrictions as we like
  • We build the boats ourselves
  • We can arrange the deck layout as we wish
  • Some might say we carry a stupid amount of sail
  • The class is run by the members - not a commercial organisation.
  • Our hull design is fixed but so are the 16s and 18s.

We don't have years of history as a class but at least our structure is similar to the skiff classes unlike SMODS that have just picked the word because it sounds good.

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Bram,

We need to get that regatta happening before you are in your casket. I'm happy for you guys to pick any venue you like over here. At least you'll feel good about that part of your trip - as you see the Aussie transoms in the distance

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Originally posted by swiftsolo.org

Actually I think that our class is closer to being able lay claim to being a "skiff class" than many of the others - including the Musto Performance Skiff.

Why?

  • We can design our sails and mast with some restrictions as we like
  • We build the boats ourselves
  • We can arrange the deck layout as we wish
  • Some might say we carry a stupid amount of sail
  • The class is run by the members - not a commercial organisation.
  • Our hull design is fixed but so are the 16s and 18s.

We don't have years of history as a class but at least our structure is similar to the skiff classes unlike SMODS that have just picked the word because it sounds good.

(Puts on flame suit)

Bram,

We need to get that regatta happening before you are in your casket. I'm happy for you guys to pick any venue you like over here. At least you'll feel good about that part of your trip - as you see the Aussie transoms in the distance

Cheers,

Steve

Steve,

Actually, the respect owed your countrymen for taking sailing and sailing innovation to new levels should never be in doubt.  The rest of us pretty much had our heads is a dark place during the 80's and  90's while the Aussies came up with innovation after innovation.  The Swift simply would not exist if not for the Bethwaites and the other Aussies that primed their pump.  It's fun to see that kind of passion getting started in several spots around the US again.  With the enthusiasm in the UK and some rethinking of priorities here, I think that high performance sailing is on the verge of seeing serious growth.  It likely won't happen overnight, but more and more people seem to be willing to exert the energy needed to make it happen in the long run.

I can hardly wait to see a container of Swifts being loaded to head for a Worlds in Australia.  My desire to see that first Worlds regatta down there is out of respect for the heritage of skiff sailing.  This picture was the start of it for me (aft port corner--a couple of pounds lighter and maybe two or three years younger).  Sydney, 1976

   
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Bram,

You've obviously got a desire to be a skiff sailor. I was walking around the rigging lawn at my sailing club at the weekend and there were 12s 14s and 16s there. If you come over we'll have to see if we can hook you up for a sail on one of them.

It was really interesting looking at the different rigging ideas in use. I'm going to adopt a couple on the Swift Solo.

I haven't been paying that much attention to the forums because I've been busy in the garage making this............

 

 

The end is in sight now and I'm looking forward to getting this baby out on the water.

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Originally posted by swiftsolo.org

Bram,

You've obviously got a desire to be a skiff sailor. I was walking around the rigging lawn at my sailing club at the weekend and there were 12s 14s and 16s there. If you come over we'll have to see if we can hook you up for a sail on one of them.

It was really interesting looking at the different rigging ideas in use. I'm going to adopt a couple on the Swift Solo.

I haven't been paying that much attention to the forums because I've been busy in the garage making this............

 

 

The end is in sight now and I'm looking forward to getting this baby out on the water.

Steve 

You're getting close mate!  Looks like you're ready for hybrid.  You're giving me the bug to start another one.

 Are you going for the forestay adjuster? 

I've become a fan of the system I used in Florida.  While I like the idea of a single adjuster for both primaries, the fact that I can reach the current system from the wire is nice--even though I have to wait to adjust the other side on the new tack.

Keep us informed.

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