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Oh - I see. Depends on your mentality ... and your expectation of result. If I win the start well I expect to win the race. Rick |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 12:00pm |
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I think he means you start counting the boats that overtake you, which can undermine your confidence.
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 11:37am |
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The few times I've won the start in a big fleet, I've been amazed how easy it is staying at or at least near the front. So yes, it has to be starting. |
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Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 11:26am |
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So if you could be brilliant at one thing what would it be? For me it would be starting ... Rick
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True, but in most classes, few win championships by falling over less than the other top 5 boats either. To me, good boat handling is just a qualification for it being worth turning up to a championship in the first place. I will admit to not generally having sailed classes where the boathandling is especially difficult, so I may be biased in that answer. In most of the classes I've sailed, starting is absolutely critical. You won't ever recover from a bad start. Nor will you come out of the critical first five minutes after the start in clear air without boatspeed at least as good as the boats around you. Thereafter, it's mostly tactics. "Heads out of the boat" as a frequent keelboat class champion always advises. Generally there isn't much "strategy" on championship courses. If there is a clear and predictable advantage to one side of the course, the race officer isn't doing his job properly (or the venue is unsuitable). However for events like Cowes Week, strategy is critical.
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Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 11:09am |
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Ah - so our sport is complexed and all the issues are inter-related so we need to be good at everything. Of course true. But I guess the bottom line seems to be better to be a good sailor than have the best boat. Of couse to be both is the optimum ... Rick |
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I think if you assume the folllowing...
1, Your boat speed advantage will only ever be small
2, The conditions will be variable (so if you are slightly heavy / light it will average out)
3, Starting - in a good fleet, if you cannot start you are stuffed, but as Rick said that he's assuming there is a certain level of skill assumed, I assume starting will be OK
I rate it thus:
1, Strategy / Rules / Boat Handling / Tactics (boat on boat/shifts) - all these are so interrelated; To have a Strategy, you have to have the rules knowledge to implement it, to be able to use the rules you need to have the boat handling to know you can push the rules and make sure everything you do will work and you can put the boat exactly where you want it, when you want it. To be good at tacktics in a big fleet you need the rules knowledge etc.
5, Boatspeed - always gets you out of trouble - including a bad start
6, Starting (you afterall have assumed there is a good level of skill anyway - a good start will not win the race)
7, Crew shape.
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Posted: 12 Dec 05 at 10:41am |
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I guess you have to assume a certain level of proficiency if we are considering these elements in the context of trying to win a championships ... We are in the same ball park here ... Rick Edited by Guest#260 |
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I don't think that was the consensus amongst the Musto sailors ... I think most felt that it was a boat speed advantage.
I think those elements of the sport are easier to practice on a training course ... how do you practice race strategy on a weekend course... those are the things you learn over time on the race course Rick Edited by Guest#260 |
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