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    Posted: 14 Sep 05 at 5:54pm

Eeh tell me about it!
I usually sail my Topper up the beach at Lancing, at that's mostly pebbles. My baby's bottom's a bit scratched, OK, but how many boats can do that without damage?

Tree trunk, eh? Can you trapeze it?  

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Originally posted by Black no sugar

Eeh tell me about it! I usually sail my Topper up
the beach at Lancing, at that's mostly pebbles. My baby's bottom's a bit
scratched, OK, but how many boats can do that without damage?


Tree trunk, eh? Can you trapeze it?  



Trapeze? Nah, lead weights around my waist    
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Had a good look at a Xenon at the Boat Show. Looks very tempting. My only
slight concern is whether it will be too 'sit on' for my small kids and non-
sailing wife. The RS Vision, for instance, has a deeper cockpit.

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A buddy of mine has a Stratos and the children have fights over who gets to lean against the stainless hoop on the thwart. The thwart seat is perfect for little ones security in terms of something to grab hold of if they are worried. Once children get over their inital concerns you might have trouble getting them to sit in! Your wife might be more of a concern though...
I'm off to the show tommorow to introduce my wife to the Xenon...hope she likes it...or I'll be looking for a budding trapeze artist !
I might have opted for a vision had I not experienced at first hand how badly built they were.
Think you should sail them both...then you'll know .
 
 
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The xenon's so wide you could probably sit the kids in the bottom and they'd never have to see the water!  But I'd agree with Marine Boy it's keeping the kids away from the water that's the problem after a bit.

Trapeze on a 6ft wide, designed-for-hiking boat - wow, who needs racks!!  Should  be good in a force 8 or so...... unless the fittings rip out the plastic that is.
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No problems with the kids - they love sailing. Wife may want a bit more
comfort though. On second thoughts, I could leave her at the bar ;)

I asked a guy on the Topper stand about fitting a trapeze to the Xenon and
he was very hesitant before reluctantly agreeing you could fit one. Not sure
why he reacted in that way.

I've sailed a Vision and a Laser 2000, I'll try to get a demo in the Xenon ASAP

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Originally posted by Marine Boy

I am having one of the ex Endeavour Trophy boats. Topper are selling the kite boat, combi, cover with full guarantee for £4.6K. I couldn't resist !
There are 30 boats in the Trophy of which six have been reserved in the last week.
 

As of about 9.30 this morning when I spoke to Topper, 19 of the 30 have been reserved.  You can reserve at that price for £500 deposit, £440 of which is refundable if you change your mind after a trial.

Laser are also offering a boat show deal on Laser 2000s, which knocks about £700 off the list price of a brand new 2000 with cover and combi, they want a £100 fully refundable deposit.

 
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Marine Boy, how are you getting on with the Xenon?

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Having not sailed a Xenon or A Vision first hand i cannot comment. The only plastic boats i have sailed unfortunately have been fevas and the Omega. Both were completely awful to sail. I can however HIGHLY recomend the 2000. It is a fantastic bit of kit, very stable for what it is.Really gets a move on in the bigger winds (force 8 3 up! ) Its very responsive, low mainsheet loads. Responsive Rig Controls, Excellent reefing system, additional trapeze option and great begginners boat. Just generally an excellent boat which is fantastic and in my personal opinion very rearding to sail.
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L2K has a good class assoc and a good bunch of people sailing them , not saying that Xenon  or Vago don't or won't, just that L2K got there first and they've stolen a  march on the rest

Seem well built but a bit heavy on the trailer on land, asymetric makes life easy downwind for the novice crew, sheet loads aren't too bad

... don't sail one meeself, just know a few folks who do
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