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Poll Question: Should there be one on the market
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    Posted: 31 Oct 11 at 2:06pm
Saying 15 sailors at sub 65kg sail a MPS* so therefor its a lightweights boat is not a argument winner. You are talking about sailors at the margins of a weight range. Sailors that sometimes have a pretty hard time of it. I'm talking about a boat where 75% of the sailors would be sub 65kg. Not 5%.


* and the best way for a lightweight to sail an MPS is to have a smaller sail and or another boat when it's windy.
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Saying 15 sailors at sub 65kg sail a MPS so therefor its a lightweights boat is not a argument winner.
 
Dear Mr Sparrow,
 
I don't think the class is claiming to be a lighweights boat ...
 
As per our previous post the sailor data can be viewed here:
 
 
The majority of the sailors (~40% in the 2010 survey) are between 80 & 90kgs.
 
The class can be enjoyed by sailors of all weights and champions have ranged from 73kgs to 100+
 
About 9% of owners are less than 70kgs and Ant Chapman was did very well finishing 10th at the, mostly windy, Filey Nationals at 66kgs; but as a past 29er Champion he is very skillful.
 
If the brief is for a class where the majority of sailors would be sub 65kgs that would not be us ...
 
 
 
 
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so can we now go back to discussing an entry level singlehanded trap boat for lightweights, which we can redefine as sub 75kg?

would there be any point in a builder developing one? 
the same, but different...

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Well I think a builder should develop a production Farr 3.7 but I would say that.

But there is a requirement for a sensible trap boat for girls and kids and small adults. Especially in view of the girls Olympic skiff.
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Well we could go into cats, so an A-Class.... or Hobie FX? 




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oooohhhh I'd love to have a go in an A-class.
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 Well you have gone from the original post of 65-80kgs crew weight to now a sub 75kgs crew, this is now in the 13- 16 age weight limit and you want some boatbuilder to make this boat in the current climate, plus you have all the H&S risks that would kill it before it started.
   The 420 was made to use single handed by moving the mast forward, this would be a all round boat, lost of cheap boats around that could do the job, they donot need to be new.


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Thank you for the clarification on the MPS class position with regards the smaller sail.
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Originally posted by winging it


... which we can redefine as sub 75kg?


75kgs is still way to heavy to be considered lightweight ...

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Body_mass_index_chart.svg

Lightweights I assume are less heavy than "normal" people so you'd have be looking at a BMI of less than 18.5 or very short people or children/youth.

Given how many fatties there seems to be waddling around the UK I think our perception of lightweight has suffered inflation if a 75kg person is now considered lightweight ... Ouch
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just because they are sub 75 kg (or whatever, frankly I don't care) doesn't have to mean they are youths.  There are plenty of slim adults around who would also like a trap boat to suit their size including women!

Yes, you can single hand a 420, but that's not a great racing option is it?  Nor is it likely to prove popular.

I'm not saying that such a boat must be built, I'm just questioning whether there is a market for one, especially in the light of the discussion around a new hiking singlehander.  I would have thought there was more market for a trap boat,.

I am pretty sure the H&S requirments would be the same for any boat........


Edited by winging it - 31 Oct 11 at 5:44pm
the same, but different...

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