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    Posted: 03 Jun 07 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by JimC

Not just that to be fair: a Laser is a great boat for just having fun messing about in waves.


Indeed. Skiffs just bounce around overtaking them.
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I took my 200 crew out in my 12 in about a force four. I was having great fun blasting about untill he "i'm bored" I now know why the lasers sailors are angry. They enjoy sailing their lasers but not for the same reasons as cherub sailors like sailing cherub's or musto sailors like sailing mustos etc I was so pi***d of with my crew i sailed us in right then and there. 
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There is so much macho bullsh*t in this forum it's ridiculous. Its all "my boat's faster and bigger than yours, therefore i'm better then you". It's petty and silly, and i'm amazed at how the original question asked, has lead to all this twoddle.
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Originally posted by simsy

There is so much macho bullsh*t in this forum it's ridiculous. Its all "my boat's faster and bigger than yours, therefore i'm better then you". It's petty and silly, and i'm amazed at how the original question asked, has lead to all this twoddle.

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Originally posted by BeachBoy

Hi,

I'm in the market for a new toy and drooling whilst looking at pics and vids of skiffs speeding along.  I am wondering how difficult a skiff such as a RS 700 or MPS is to sail,  I'm happy to put effort in but don't want to spend ££££ and find out a napkin would've been a better solution for the drooling.

I love sailing, I've done a fair bit of ocean sailing and keelboat racing, I'm vaguely fit, 37 yrs old  and weigh 72kgs.  I've raced as crew on a Dart cat a few times (no problems at all).  My main aim is get out on the water, sail  and relish the rush.

Is it feasible to head directly into skiffs or should I start elsewhere in the dinghy world?

Appreciate your insights, thank you.

 

go for it.  sailing a fast boat has a lot of things that make it easier - a slow bicycle race is difficult.  however the crashes tend to be more frequent and bigger in a skiff.  if you have the enthusiasm and the time then you can go straight for a skiff or a skiff style boat, particularly if you already understand the rudiments of what you are trying to do.  hope it works out for you.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote chrisjc123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 07 at 9:58pm

well back the the original topic

get a vortex for a few seasons, thats what im doing ive just started in it im loving it it is very different to what ive sailed before (fireball 420, laser) it is very forgiving so you wont swim alot unlike other boats, its a great way to learn to helm from the wire.

as some of the vortex guys are doing are now moving into more "skiff" like boats for a different challange.

 

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Lighter people can get out on the wire sooner and then get their weight forward. Sinking the stern is fairly easy on a Vortex and with all the shrouds and lowers and non-adjustable tiller, it's awkward for taller and heavier people to get suitably far forward while inboard.

The mainsail is also very easy to depower and the top of the mast is tapered so it's quite whippy anyway. You can tighten the lowers to get max power but it's still a lighter person's boat. Don't know about 12 stone being the max. Hector's nearer 10 stone.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hector Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jun 07 at 3:03pm
Originally posted by English Dave

. Don't know about 12 stone being the max. Hector's nearer 10 stone.

I WISH!! Maybe 20 years ago.

Actually Hector  fluctuates between 11.2 to 11.5st and Phil Whitehead (the acknowledged fastest in the fleet) is 12.5st. Jonathan Lister won the last open and he's 11.5st. Angus was within 2 points of winning and he's nearer 15st!

That said, I reckon that you can sail a Vortex competetively with as little as 10st and up to 13st. Of course in a blow the 14st+ guys are fast but inevitably they struggle a little in the lighter airs. Equally someone in the mid range will be most competative over the widest wind range  - ooooh that would be someone my weight then!



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Originally posted by turnturtle

ps sorry for ever recommending a laser (see page 1), but if beachboy aspires to sail a skiff like dinghy, then a laser's only ever going to wet the appetite, not quench the thirst for 'the drooling' of the original question. 

I sailed Lasers for 15years and never got bored. I did get fit, learnt masses about tactics, boat speed, boat handling and big fleets, made lifelong freinds and generally had a great time. I did do other things in amongst and eventually took on another challenge that demanded all my spare sailing time. Even now I occasionally think about doing another Laser event - World masters In Australia in February sounds good!

Turnturtles comment together with Simsy's sum it up perfectly for me.

EDIT Worth mentioning that both Sten and Ian Trotter were on the same Northern Laser circuit as me -  seems it was a pretty good foundation for their Skiff sailing 'careers'.



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crew a flying fifteen for a season or two, and take every opportunity to trial other classes as you can.  That will probably give you a decent basic level of skill to determine just how much adrenaline you want to expend.

Avoiding the embarrassment of getting rescued week in, week out is worth a fair premium...!

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