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    Posted: 18 Oct 06 at 10:08pm
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Hey Bram,

I was thinking that 90 kg would be about perfect. Guess how much I weigh??  

In reality I guess that the skill of the sailor will have a lot to do with it. The good thing is that we'll be able to fine tune the mast sail combinations to suit different weights as well. This is another advantage of not having class mandated masts and sails.

Steve,

In the past it has seemed that I was fast in light and heavy air but mediocre in 8 to 12 (at 200 lbs).  Ron Watt and I have been doing a lot of head to head sailing in light air and the importance of shifting gears correctly has become even more apparent.  It's not rocket science since nearly every skiff sailor knows what needs to be done, it's just that on the Swift everything is adjustable.  If you don't make the adjustments as the wind velocity changes, someone else will and you'll be left behind.  I suspect that weight is important but relatively insignificant when compared to rig adjustment.

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Originally posted by TeamFugu

Originally posted by Rupert

I was more curious as to whether the IYRU have the right to STOP a class association calling itself International? They aren't calling the boat International, just the organization behind it.

This seems a bit far reaching to me. We don't say that we are IYRU sanctionned but we are international in scope and size. I don't think they can tell who can or can't use the work international in their name but should be able to stop people from claiming IYRU status when the don't have it and we don't do that. If they do have the right to tell anyone if they can use the word international or not, then get me off this plannet.

I am always amused by this one.

I find it very simple.

Do you intend to race under "The Racing Rules of Sailing"? Presumably.

So can ISAF tell you what to do with the word "International"?  YES - if you want to use their rules.

Who says so? ISAF

Why? BECAUSE THEY WROTE THE RULES!

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And who said THEY could put 'international' in front of their name for that matter .....  many large organsisations think they can simply hijack words and then impose their conditions on its use by others due to their own use of english language words  - this is just another example.  True they are 'international' in scope so why should ISAF not use it themselves .... but so are many other groupings whether they are fully ISAF recognised as 'international' or just 'international' by virtue of a great geographic spread.  Some will choose to remain semi seperate in any event.  What next .... a declaration on what is their definition of a 'skiff' a 'dinghy' etc etc and implied penalties on those who dare to use the words without permission when describing something they sail !!   It's the 'thought police' again who want tight control on everything or else - a moden epidemic.  So they pull the rules together for racing ..... so ?  Surely that does not bestow absolute right over how we use english as well ?

Or do we really care anyway ?

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....and there's me thinking how nice that paint company is for sponsoring all those classes.........
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I find it interesting that the use of the "international" is such a big deal. For thos that do care, I think it is a typo that will be dealt with. The boat class is "Swift Solo" pure and simple. There are governing bodies. At the top is the "International Swift Solo Class Association", then there are other bodies by country. This should be addressed some time in the next upgrades to the site.

For me, this is what matters....
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Once again, a shot of a great place to go sailing...and to think that the photo of british sailing water to get the most response recently was the one with the new Wembley stadium in the background...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Oct 06 at 6:16pm

Of course, you can also come and sail at Lancing!

 

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Just look at the difference in the water colour...
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I would go for 'Swift Solo Class International Association' myself...

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Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

I would go for 'Swift Solo Class International Association' myself...

Sorry but that is so silly sounding. Why do you care so much about where or if the word "international" is in the name? Do you have some stake in the ISAF? Nowhere do we claim to be a ISAF sanctionned class. At some point when we can afford the dues, we most likely will.

And to think that I thought the French and Americans were anal about who owned what and who could use what word. It is the "International Swift Solo Class Association" and is deemed to be so by its governing body. We soon hope to have an "Australian Swift Solo Class Association" and an association in any other country that has enough boats to support one. I guess they'll have to take thier name up with thier government to find out if they can use their country's name in their name as well.
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