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    Posted: 23 Jun 06 at 1:18pm
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Originally posted by Matt Jackson

Yeah. But at least we're getting an idea of who does "...post like a tw@t" 

Is it the guy who makes the wild remarks with no justification? Or the guy who trys to give the boat a fair representation?

I thought you wanted to put this to bed?

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I think my query on the post has been answered somewhere in all that lot - ie the "lame" bit didn't actually refer to the performance statistics at all, but was an opinion on the feel of the boat when sailing. That I can quite understand, as there a some boats which I just "didn't get on with". In fact, the Supernova was one of them, as was the Solo. And the Laser, come to that, and tens of thousands of people think different, so who am I to say!? On the other hand, I rather like the Lightning 368, which I've heard described very unfavourably in some quarters, and own a British Moth, which has to be one of the most daft little boats around. I just happen to like the feel...

Would love a go in the Solution one day, though, but as it costs more than a bus ticket to buy, will be a while before I could "try before I buy" as it were.

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British Moths are awesome boat! They feel really powerfull even when there's hardly any wind. And they've got such a tight little turning circle that you can be a cheeky git getting inside at marks. And all this for less than the price of a jib in most other classes! I love them.
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Just found out that we had the Solution down for a demo day at my local club the other weekend, it was not publicised at all! A bit gutted because I wanted to give it a go.

On the plus side I did hear that 2 guys have bought one each and there have been order for 20+ already.

Caters for the 65-85kg range where they believe you are getting in to Phantom territory (I would disagreee I am 85KG and consider myself far too light for a Phantom.
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Looking forward to seeing the solution at a big open to see how My 300 fairs against it.

 Also I think the supernova is a great boat and fantastic value for money the guy who designed it did a great job and the current promoters of the boat Hartley Laminates are promoting the boat well and giving it god all round support maybe laser, topper, RS should take note what they are doing.

I dont see how people can rate a boat by looking at the stats and not sail one. I have done that a few times and been deeply disapointed and sorry to say i did'nt really like the Cherub or the 420 but thats my opinion. Probly comes down to the pond i sail on.

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Never sailed a cherub Pabs, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to on your pond!
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Originally posted by Pabs

 Also I think the supernova is a great boat and fantastic value for money the guy who designed it did a great job and the current promoters of the boat Hartley Laminates are promoting the boat well and giving it god all round support maybe laser, topper, RS should take note what they are doing.



It is not exactly public knowledge at the moment but it certainly is not secret but Topper are moving away from making GRP boats to concentrate on their rotomoulded range (aside from the Topper itself of course).

This may leave a few classes in the same position as the Laser 3000. Time for class associations to look at buying the moulds and rights to their hulls and see what can be done with them.

I know one class that are doing that right now, the future does look bright!
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 Hey Jeffers.  Did you get to the Blaze nationals last weekend? 48 boats. Great turn out for a fantastic boat.  I think if a manufacturer designs and builds a boat, they should stick with the class until the end.  The blaze will probably be better off without topper but it causes uncertainty.  I sold my blaze a few months back for a vortex (Better off without laser!!! ) because i wanted a kite and can't afford the 700 or musto skiff!  I'm glad i did now, The vortex is a fantastic boat with a high performance feel to it.

I think to describe a boat as a bit lame is fine if you only enjoy sailing high performance boats.  It's like a solo sailor saying an rs600 is a bit mental.  Fair comment but no real reflection on the boat itself. as some people enjoy lane/mental boats.  Am I wrong in saying that the Supernova is the best value new boat available. at nearly 3K for a new boat.

 

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Hey Daredevil,

Didn't make it this year, am planning for next year though. Hoping to get to the Inlands in October too. Good to hear you are enjoying the Vortex but do get bored of it and come back soon!

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