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    Posted: 09 Oct 12 at 7:16am
Originally posted by Kev M

The mainsheet block on the floor seems a long way back and the toe straps don't seem to come forward enough to give you any chance of getting your weight forward to lift the arse of the boat out of the water when going upwind.  Having said that I looked at a Phantom the next day and it too seemed to have everything very central/rear biased.
 
 
Regarding the toe straps, many Vareo owners upgrade the standard ones with full length rooster (LDC also have similar ones now)  The full lenght ones allow you to move further forward in the boat thus enabling you to lift up the stern in low wind conditions.  However, having said that, you don't really need to hike in those sort of conditions.
 
Originally posted by Kev M

I didn't like the sail shape but that was most likely due to the fact that as soon as you applied any cunningham the sail dropped four inches and it's one of those delightful systems where the main halyard is cleated at the top of the mast so you have no chance of fixing it on the water.

 
 
The sail shape is very dynamic and with a composite mast tip the cunningham and kicker settings (and the outhaul) enable you to get a very flat sail shape.  The mast's flexibility means that the cunningham is visually very obvious.
 
 
Originally posted by Kev M

The steering is really heavy.  I had the boat flat going upwind and any change in direction felt like I was trying to fight a bad case of weather helm.  
 
The trick to having light steering is to control the boats direction with the sails more than the tiller.  This keeps the speed going and reduces the pressure on the rudder foil.
 
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Thanks for the offer, for the time being my budget has dropped from 4k to 1-2k.  Based on this i'm not going to be able to get a newer Phantom so i'm back to square one in some ways. 
I've notived a few older GRP/Epoxy Phantoms, whats the speed difference between theseand the newer boats?  Equally in this price range the Supernova looks an interesting bet although I'm not 100% sure on teh weight carrying for 15 stone... 
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Potentially grp are a lot slower. Some were up to 14 kilos overweight. Still very good value for club racing and having a Damn good sail, just wouldn't cut it at national level.

Early epoxies are still very quick if in good condition but I don't think you'll find one of those below 3.5k at the mo. Epoxy phantoms only started at sail number 1100 so if you see anyone claiming an earlier number than that is epoxy then they have made a mistake.

Don't dismiss a grp one though if you only want it for py racing its still a lot of boat for the money. At our club we race epoxies off of a different py than wooden or grp phantoms to even it up a bit.
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