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Norbert
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Topic: Single-handersPosted: 22 May 08 at 5:13pm |
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Heard that Rondar are going to try and sell the Blaze in the US with a new bigger rig. Big bottoms need big sails |
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blaze720
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Posted: 22 May 08 at 10:45pm |
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1) Every Blaze has a Centreboard - always has.
2) Some Blazes have tried a 'second' sail - unlikely to be adopted. 3) We are however working with a sailmaker and are choosing a taller mast, possibly in carbon and possibly rotating to produce a 'big guys' large rig derivative. Current boat does 70-95 kg very nicely indeed - and there are notable exceptions who are above and below this band who can shine as well note. 4) If it all comes together a new 'big blokes' class will be launched in the Autumn. It will not be a Blaze and will not race directly with the Blaze class. BUT the use of a common hull, (now revised and in epoxy) wings and boom (and a lot of demand for Blazes in the market) takes a lot of the risk away from starting a new class aimed at larger guys - 95 - 115+kg - i.e. if it were to fail the bulk of the cost can be recycled (sold !) into a growing class where there is demand - so less risk for all involved. 5) We will be running the wings slightly narrower than in the Blaze - the aim is not to make an especially fast Blaze - our aim is to really make a modern alternative 'big guys class'. One that does not necessarily make it 'easy' for mere 80/90kg blokes to make off with all the chocolates too much of the time. So a bit less leverage and about 15-20% more sail (square head) on a taller mast (7.0m in place of 6.5m) should help the cause. 6) Yes - it is being aimed beyond the UK - and not just because of Norbert's assertion ...but if enough demand becomes apparent here who knows ! 7) We have no name for the creation - yet ! Anyone got any ideas ? 8) Lastly - anyone think it would/could work here ? We really are listening and need more input from a few of those who it might suit. Mike L - aka Cirrus Raceboats |
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rs405
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Posted: 23 May 08 at 9:51am |
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I'm a lightweight myself but I think you could be on to a winner. Rooster 8.1 laser rigs seem to be selling well and thats a similar idea isn't it? They cant compete in laser events but using a common hull etc... Can anyone tell me more about the second sail idea? Is it a well documented conversion/upgrade? I'm after a new blasting toy and the Blaze with a kite would be just the thing as I'm not really into racing beyond club level so the lack of class aproval isnt really an issue. And an MPS or 700 would probably lead me to a messy death. |
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Posted: 23 May 08 at 10:39am |
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So if a Blaze were fitted with a spinnaker and the racks made compatible
with trapezing, how different would the performance be compared to the MPS? It would certainly be more suitable to our launch recovery issues. I assume it has a kick up rudder as well. |
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29er310
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Posted: 23 May 08 at 10:42am |
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I think it wouldn't be comparable speed wise due to the hull shape and weight, the MPS was designed with trapezing and having an assy in mind, there would have to be some serious modification to the deck moulds and the hull strength to make it work properly.
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Merlinboy
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Posted: 23 May 08 at 10:44am |
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The OK is a great boat, i loved mine. The boom isnt actually that low because the cockpit is so deep! My boat wasnt heavy either in fact it was quite light in compassion to things like contenders and my old boat was 2 kg over weight!! |
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blaze720
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Posted: 23 May 08 at 10:51am |
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We are not developing it specifically for the UK for the very reasons you mention plus the UK in isolation is simply too small for a new 'heavyweights' special today. The derivative will initially tackle a niche overseas where we have potential distribution and have been asked to produce a version for 'bigger people'. The boat will not be a Blaze to all intents and purposes and will only be offered here if there is enough domestic demand. The use of a lot of 'off the shelf' Blaze hardware and hull however is sensible for all sorts of obvious reasons. If it is offered here from the early owners point of view it takes away most of the risk of buying into a new niche class - the risk that it might not prosper and owners end up with an unsaleable white elephant. Obviously as 90% of the kit can be recycled as a Blaze and sold into a class with plenty of 'used' demand it takes the perceived and actual risk away. This 'fear of class failure' has been the most significant single factor, to our mind that, that has prevented a really new 'large guys' single sail, single hander appearing for decades. Reducing wing width and increasing mast height and sail area is aiming squarely at the 100kg category and we are intentionally making it less appealing to relative lightweights and 'medium weights' - we have the Blaze for that here and now overseas. The use of a single one-design mast and single source one-design sail will restrict the ability of these 'lightweights' to depower by buying expensive custom sails / spars and so it should still favour the original 'heavier' target category in 5+ years from now as well as keeping ownership costs very reasonable. Mike .... aka Cirrus Raceboats |
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jeffers
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Posted: 23 May 08 at 11:12am |
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Hi all,
2 put in my 2p as an ex Blaze sailor and a current 8.1 sailor (sorry Mike). The Blaze is a great boat, it is relatively easy to sail but difficult to sail well. As for the comment made about assymetrics and trapezing believe me once the boats gets going you really dont want any more sail unless you are doing windward leeward courses all the time. Get a Blaze on a reach and it will cream pretty much anything else in the same class (Phantom, 8.1). With the wide racks it is also a joy to sail, lots of room and when i was fully out on the racks in mine I was pretty much trapezing off the edge of the hull (people were very wary of getting upwind of me). All in all a great boat. So why you might ask did I get rid of it. Simple like TT and his Musto I just don't have the time to dedicate to getting the perfomance out of it as it does reward tme in the boat. I know with a Laser i can pretty much jump in to it and be competitive at club level. The 8.1 just adds an extra twist for handicap races where I stand a chance against the local Phantoms where in the lighter stuff the Blaze was slightly outclassed. Good luck with the new venture Mike, the bonus is that the 'heavier' people coul convert by buying the new righ and racks and then stick the standard stuff back on for Opens and Nationals. That is what i do with the Laser so i get the best of both worlds (we still have a class start for the Laser). Paul |
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Posted: 23 May 08 at 11:26am |
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So that's that then, still nothing exciting yet do able for lightweight single
handers with a job and TOW limitations looking for a bit more excitement than dull as ditchwater laser sailing at coastal venues with launching problems. |
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tgruitt
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Posted: 23 May 08 at 11:46am |
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You could always sail somewhere else. I heard that there are quite a few of these sailing club places around the coast.... |
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