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    Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 10:22am
Originally posted by English Dave

Sorry to rain on the parade but I just wouldn't take a toddler on a dinghy.  Foolhardy IMO but if you really want to then a Stratos Keel would be my bet. But how exactly are you going to ensure the safety of your children? I know you can get life jackets for children but how then to split yourself between sailing the boat and supervising the children?

Wait til they are a bit older, please. 5 or 6

Ditto.

When you do start you'd be better off with a small keelboat. Lots of good small keelboats around second hand, many are cheaper than dinghies, eg a reasonable leisure 17 for under £2000. I've just sold my Hunter Medina for £3500, something like that would be better than a dinghy, also ideal for Poole harbour and trips out to Studland etc.

 

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thank you for all of your replies - i did not really expect such a large number of helpful replies.

I take on board what people are saying regarding taking a toddler on board, however, the majority of the time I anticipate it being a 2 adult to 1 child ratio, certainly for at least the next few years. I do not think the age as such is the issue, but rather the supervision ratio - I am sure many of us started helmimg for ourselves at the age of 4 or so in an oppie?

I would ideally like a small keelboat, and that is where my train of thought started, however the appeal of a dinghy is the fact that with public slipways in Poole Harbour, I can store a dinghy at home, tow it, launch it, and be sailing with minimal preparation time. I cannot justify paying for a mooring with the amount of time I anticipate being able to use it over the next few years, until they are all a bit older. Safety is the reason I thought a large dinghy with an outboard and VHF might be an appropriate solution.

Do people still think I am having reckless thoughts, or am barking up completely the wrong tree? At the moment I am thinking Wayfarer, Stratos might be the best solution but am very keen to hear your further views.

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Stratos Keel has the raising keel - Web address here

Whereas the Wayfarer is a centreboard.

Take a look, but you might have to wait for a Keel version of the Laser Stratos to come onto the S/H market.

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Plenty of trailer-sailor boats out there on the SH market.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/15-Trailer-Sailer-Sailing-Boat-Trailer -and-Outboard_W0QQitemZ170191096677QQihZ007QQcategoryZ1297QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This would give shelter when it rains, room for both a chemical toilet and a coolbox and berths for a snooze if it's a long day. Great for "adventuring" round Poole harbour.

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I've been taking my children out sailing since they were tiny, on the right day, and they loved it. Now 7 and 5, they are very confident in and around boats, and are looking forward to the weather warming up. You would have to take more care on poole harbour than you would on a lake, but I can safely say there are far fewer accidents involving children in sailing than there are at Wacky Warehouse play areas. Or in the car getting them to the play area/sailing club.

Has anyone got figures showing how many deaths/injuries have happened to toddles when sailing with their parents in sheltered waters?



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All of the above appeals hugely - particularly for the comfort of the kids - the last thing I want to do is put them off by getting cold and wet etc. However it comes back to the issue of being able to slip it in on a public slipway, and the set-up/pack-down time.

Can anyone advise on this - the difference in time it would realistically take to be sailing a boat such as a stratos from arrival at slipway compared with a trailer sailor.

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[I've been taking my children out sailing since they were tiny, on the right day, and they loved it. Now 7 and 5, they are very confident in and around boats

This is what I hope to achieve - I do want to buy a bigger boat (30ft ish) in 5-10 years time, and want them to be comfortable, confident and happy afloat/

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Originally posted by david m wood

However it comes back to the issue of being able to slip it in on a public slipway, and the set-up/pack-down time.

Surely with all the hassle and cost of trailing and slip fees, wouldn't you be better off leaving your boat at a club? Although there are waiting lists at some clubs on Poole Harbour, if you join an existing fleet, like the Wayfarers at Parkstone, I think you get in pretty quickly.

On the safety issue, yes that woud rule out the otherwise worthy 2000 for me - poor capsize performance, but Wayfarers have sailed to Iceland and, like the Stratos are readily reefed. There's a wealth of cruising experience in the class:

http://www.wayfarer.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content& task=blogsection&id=9&Itemid=120

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http://www.wayfarer.org.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=e 08cf0459f50e9ddd908456f727fae90

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We have trailed/launched our Stratos (centreboard) at lots of different locations 30 - 45 minutes to rig, pack the picnic and launch. I won't go into the advantages/disadvantages re dinghy/keelboat as I prefer dinghy sailing but the Stratos (or Wayfarer) is a good compromise especially with the keel version (as well as 'performance' with a small 'p' if you want it). Like any sport there are risks in sailing but there is no reason a well prepared 'cruise' in sheltered waters like Poole should be any more risky than driving to the coast down the motorway ! Like most things always plan ahead, plan for contingencies (and carry a good anchor and chain !). I have taken my Stratos out in all weathers (not suggesting you do with a young family) and it has really looked after us . If you have an outboard (I have'nt, just good paddles) you have your extra safety factor.

Why not start off inland to get a feel for it for a year or so whilst the kids are very young ? I am sure they will enjoy it and you can come in very easily when they start getting bored/cold. Good point about having two of you who can sail we always do .

In terms of weight Stratos/Wayfarer about 180 kgs and the Stratos Keel 280kgs which you need to consider when pulling up and down slipways. I can do this with my wife on most slipways but the keel version will probably require the winch......good luck keelboat or dinghy sailing .........

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