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    Posted: 02 Jun 07 at 8:41am
Originally posted by Chris 249

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They dont complain because it would be like biting the hand that feeds
you, they dont pay for their boats do they, i loved my laser but unless you
can practice 7 days a week you aint gonna do anything in the fleet, and
they are boring compaired to skiffs NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT FACT!

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Of course they can argue the fact.....last Laser regatta I did had 3 entries
who have been right at the top of the 18s. The multiple 18 world champ
has recently moved into the class. Other people who enjoy sailing Lasers
at times are A Class world champs. Would these guys really get into a
boat if it bored them?

Sure, some people get bored with Lasers. I find one of the world's fastest
singlehanders a rather boring boat to sail. That doesn't mean you have to
tell someone new to dinghies that he WILL get bored, and quickly.

Top Laser sailors can earn a lot more sailing big boats. They are there
because they enjoy the Laser.

To quote Scheidt....

"I still have a lot of pleasure in sailing the boat. I think that’s the main
thing that keeps me motivated..... I like the Laser sailing. The excitement
of the regattas, traveling around, and competing with equal weapons. The
Laser uses your fitness; I like to sail in that way, mixing tactical and
physical perpetration........ I still have a lot of fun sailing the Laser. I love
the boat because it is a simple concept and the best sailor wins......I was
getting great fun out of the boat - if I was bored I would have switched.”

Can you find any evidence that he only sails it for the cash, and that he
would not earn more calling Farr 40 shots for $5k per day?

I used to abuse the boat; then I learned more about design, and the
reason it was designed the way it is. The things that initially seem to be
faults are there mainly because they have to be. Sure it's slow and stable.
So is a Contender, Merlin or a 14 by some standards.

It just doesn't help the sport to attack the most popular boat.

 

I dont really understand the point about people on this forum sl*gging of the laser as none of them have really, we all know it is a great brand for our beloved sport, but a few sailors have said that it bored them, THIS IS their opinion so i dont think you should crit it!  if you think a morrison 12 14 is slow and stable i now am starting to doubt your knowlege chris!

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If it was stated as an opinion, I wouldn't have said anything. However, you
and others said it was a FACT (your own capitals). EDIT saying "they are
boring compaired to skiffs NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT FACT!" is not
expressing an opinion, it is claiming that something is a fact.

I apologise for hijacking the thread but when people say incorrect things
such as that Schiedt etc only sail Lasers for the cash (EDIT - or to get
sponsored boats when there's no evidence that they do and some
evidence that they don't), it's hard to walk away.

14s are brilliant boats, very hard to sail. Compared to Bethwaite 18s, big-
wing 18s, Tornadoes, possibly foiler Moths and FW boards etc they are
slower, maybe more stable, or both. If someone who sailed 18s or Ts said
"14s are boring" you would also probably sound annoyed in your reply
like we both have here.

I probably shouldn't have been so thin skinned or said 14s are stable.
Sorry.

Sorry for the hijack.


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Poor BeachBoy, all he wanted was some guidance on skiff sailing and he has found himself starting a large debate about lasers and the people who sail them! 
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Originally posted by Chris 249

It just doesn't help the sport to attack the most popular boat.

Wouldn't that actually be the Sunfish? Over half a million built.

 



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Boring!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by Chris 249

If it was stated as an opinion, I wouldn't have said anything. However, you
and others said it was a FACT (your own capitals), not an opinion.

I apologise for hijacking the thread but when people say incorrect things
such as that Schiedt etc only sail Lasers for the cash, it's hard to walk
away.

14s are brilliant boats, very hard to sail. Compared to Bethwaite 18s, big-
wing 18s, Tornadoes, possibly foiler Moths and FW boards etc they are
slower, maybe more stable, or both. If someone who sailed 18s or Ts said
"14s are boring" you would also probably sound annoyed in your reply
like we both have here.

I probably shouldn't have been so thin skinned or said 14s are stable.
Sorry.

Sorry for the hijack.

 

I never said they sailed them only for cash i said they wouldnt sl*g the boat of because they probably dont pay for their boats! Secondly i have only voiced my own personal opinion in this thread if you read my pevious posts i think you will notice that i complemented the laser saying i enjoyed sailing one, but didnt have the time, money or ability to progress any further in the fleet therefore my natural progression in a laser had come to a close, thus meaning i find them bloody boring because i'm not good enough to compete, NOW THAT IS A FACT!

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I can see we're all a bit touchy about boats we like and don't like !

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And the topic of this thread is..........................................
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Matt Jackson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jun 07 at 11:06pm
Yeah drop it guys. Lasers are a bit dull (and painful) but the racing can be great. I think that about sums it up.
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Not just that to be fair: a Laser is a great boat for just having fun messing about in waves.
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