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    Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 5:56pm

Sorry my earlier post was perhaps a bit ambiguous, I wouldn't consider the Contender or 600 tame either, hence the " " marks.

 
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Originally posted by TeamFugu

Originally posted by Rupert

I was more curious as to whether the IYRU have the right to STOP a class association calling itself International? They aren't calling the boat International, just the organization behind it.

This seems a bit far reaching to me. We don't say that we are IYRU sanctionned but we are international in scope and size. I don't think they can tell who can or can't use the work international in their name but should be able to stop people from claiming IYRU status when the don't have it and we don't do that. If they do have the right to tell anyone if they can use the word international or not, then get me off this plannet.


What you can't do is call yourselves the "International Swift Solo" - because that's implying international status.
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@Presuming Ed.

I think a bit of clarification may be needed. Allow me to paraphrase to
make sure Im clear, and please correct me if I interoperate your comment
incorrectly. You are saying that the boat should not be refereed to as the
"International Swift Solo". But it is ok for the class association to be
refereed to as the "International Swift Solo Class Association".

This would be inline with a number of other boat/class associations that
are not on the ISAF list of approved classes.
(Just as an example from )
210      International 210 Class, Inc      Sean Sweeney
Abbott 33      Intl Abbott 33 Class Assn      Harold Hoffman
Blue Jay      International Blue Jay Class Association      William K Dunbar III
C Class      Intl C Class Catamaran Assn      Charles Manning
Catalina 27      International Catalina 27/270 Assoc      Phil Agur
H Boat      Intl H-Boat Class Assn      Nate Cutler

On the other hand the "International Canoe" is not listed on the ISAF site
as an approved class. And they use 'International' in the name of there
boat, and class.
Intl Canoe      International Canoe Association      Dawn Miller



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The International canoe is an international class within the canoe union, not sailing! And the C class is (was?) an international class. But the others are all good examples, and I can't see anything wrong with it, within what presuming ed said about the name of the class itself.
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I think I understand your issue but I think it is a funny thing to get hung up over. Kind of one of those "A rose by any ohter name....." things.

I still find it funny that the IYRU or ISAF or any other body should have so far reaching power. I also think that the page is not correctly worded. It should be "Interanational Swift Solo Class Association". It might be a realestate issue on the page. I can check if it is that big of a deal.
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Originally posted by iwsmithuk

Very nice.

Photos look like you were fully trapezing in about a F2! Makes me wonder how manageable the boat would be in anything stronger, so maybe another "too far" boat (see graemef post!!).

It is actually pretty easy to sail. Easier than a "niner" or the MPS. I sailed one most days in a week in Florida and only had one swim. I sailed it in about 17 - 18 knots and it was very manageable. Not suggesting that a novice could sail one but a Contender or 505 sailor would make the transition very easily. By comparison I tried a MPS out for about 45 minutes in about 10 knots and had 3 swims. The MPS is a nice boat - just a little harder to turn corners in. I'm sure a little practice would fix that too. I suspect the MPS has a little more straight line speed than the Swift Solo but the ease of manouvering of the Swift Solo means the 2 boats are very close around the course.

Both boats are good singlehanders but with a very different approach.

FUGU - I reckon 90kg might be closer to ideal weight in a location with breeze above 10 most of the time. The day it was blowing you and Ron had much better upwind speed than Kris.

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What is it about the swift that makes it easy to sail with that much sail?

I'm surprised the cherub lot haven't been asking about the weight again j/k


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Originally posted by m_liddell

What is it about the swift that makes it easy to sail with that much sail?

I'm surprised the cherub lot haven't been asking about the weight again j/k

  • Boat has a jib and main so coe of the sails combined is lower than a cat rigged boat
  • Rig is fully adjustable on water - unlike niners
  • Rig is full carbon very lightweight and engineered to provide gust response
  • The hull does provide some form stability - not that much but more than niners or mps 
  • One sheet controls both sails so it is easy to dump power.
  • no wings and high boom mean you can scurry to either side of the boat fast to keep control  

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FUGU - I reckon 90kg might be closer to ideal weight in a location with breeze above 10 most of the time. The day it was blowing you and Ron had much better upwind speed than Kris.

Steve 

Steve,

Actually, the boat Kris was sailing had cap spreaders problems that have made it slow in a blow even with big guys sailing.  The spreaders were too long and raked too far forward.  The net effect if a very stiff mast (the tube was tested and it flexes the same as the others).

I've just not been able to determine what weight works best after sailing against a variety of good sailors.  Common sense would indicate that big guys would do better in heavy air and visa versa.  So far, experience has not shown that correlation.

Bram

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Hey Bram,

I was thinking that 90 kg would be about perfect. Guess how much I weigh??  

In reality I guess that the skill of the sailor will have a lot to do with it. The good thing is that we'll be able to fine tune the mast sail combinations to suit different weights as well. This is another advantage of not having class mandated masts and sails.
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