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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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(hypathetically speaking) a move to a new builder is a not to be missed opportunity for a major update ... the new builder would want to make changes anyway, to suit his facilities, pricing, preferred suppliers, etc, so you can't stay SMOD ... if a weight reduction would significantly improve the boat, i'd say go for it while you can we went over and over the "corrected for class racing" debate for 3000s and decided to allow the lighter boats uncorrected ... who'd want to ballast up a flier, it could discourage people from class racing ... we've retained the existing National trophy for "Mk 1" Laser 3000s and have a new overall trophy open to L3Ks and V3000s |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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we went over and over the "corrected for class racing" debate for 3000s
and decided to allow the lighter boats uncorrected ... who'd want to
ballast up a flier, it could discourage people from class racing ...
we've retained the existing National trophy for "Mk 1" Laser 3000s and
have a new overall trophy open to L3Ks and V3000s
Fair point, with the recent proliferation of manufacturer's one designs, there's bound to be drop out of classes that haven't selled as well as others but are still loved by a few - why not go forward with a new builder - it's your chance (V3000, Blaze X) to make a much better boat as an end product and re-vitalise your class. We're not talking Mirrors, Solos or Oppies here - reasonably radical change isn't going to render thousands of boats 'obsolete' overnight........... be brave and go for it. L4000 built lighter with carbon wings, better foils, carbon boom and slightly easier running controls would be a NICE boat |
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49erGBR735HSC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1991 |
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Here's an idea, why don't people just buy an RS800 instead, lightweight, carbon rig, twin wire and a little bit cheaper secondhand than the proposed new 4000? The 4000 is a good boat and has been structured in a certain way which still defines it appart from the 800. By the ideas which have been floating about, people are trying to make the 4000 aspire to be an 800 which it doesn't need to do. |
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there is no need the people who are coming up with the crazy idea's probily dont sail 4k's and anyways the 4000 doesnt need a make over the class is very strong, it is the only single trapeze class with weight equilation! it would be nice for it to have a make over but it doesnt need one cos it is a great boat anyway. |
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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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hey, don't get shirty CFC ... you're worse than the Osprey crowd don't be too complacent either
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sorry but it is my class and i would prefer it to stay the way it is, jsut maybe sails that are cheaper. na i took BNS out in my 4k, was great fun blasting around. |
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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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"What would you do?"
You saying wouldn't change a thing KFC ?
PS Wouldn't mind a 4K myself some day Edited by yellowhammer |
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BBSCFaithfull ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1251 |
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Lets face it the boaty is extremely outdated. It could do with a major overhaul. And just general rule changes
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in its current form i wouldn't shell out for a new one, but with a serious makeover and the strong 'adult' class i probably would, especially if it was a more open OD and not a SMOD ... i can't be alone ... the 29er's the main alternative for me, and it's a lovely boat, but the youth dominated class racing scene puts me off with the new boat scene becoming more and more like the car market, all SMOD classes probably face a transition to OD at some stage, with some very difficult decisions, it's a bit do or die ... the 4K definitely has potential to live on as a classic in the right guise anyway i won't be on the market for a few years ... i've two under 5's who have to find their independence in Oppies first ... be interesting to see what happens to the 4K (and what else comes along) in the meantime |
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Excellent post. The 4000 should not be turned into an RS800. What would be the point? The fact the 4000 was single wire was the whole reason it existed! What has happened to the 4000, 5000, ISO and most of the 1st gen high performance SMODs is that while they were once near the cuttinge edge, they are now out of date and faster more refined SMODs are available. People looking for high performance will usually trade up to the next SMOD and the class which slowly die. I'm surpised at what happened to the 3000 though. It was/is an excellent boat to learn trapeze asy. sailing so I'm not sure why it didn't sell so well. Edited by m_liddell |
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