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    Posted: 18 Apr 06 at 1:19pm

Surely in all classes new sails are likely  to be faster than old sails? So by definition any Tasar with new sails is likely to be quicker than it was. And as the performance gained is more likely to last, we might eventually see a slight decrease in PN. That would of course depend on sufficient returns (unlikely), and of course that the relative performance of Tasars at clubs sending returns is actually better.

If the sails are bigger and performance improved, then the class should perhaps suggest a revised PN to clubs, but then why should they? Development classes don't, nor do 'one designs' when advances are made or for instance Carbon masts are allowed - so why should the Tasars get themselves penalised for a marginal improvement?

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Don't forget that the weather in Aus is very different to UK norm.  5% may be the improvement in the conditions where the new rig is better than the old rig but I can't see that across the whole weather spectrum.

 

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Its diffcult to see how a 2 man boat minus spinnaker which isn't extreme (in beam or sail area) could get below 1000... Remember the Fireball is around that (976 I think) and it has a kite and a trapeze.  Tasar is a good boat but not that quick!
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990!!!!!! blimey give us a chance!
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The new sails are marginally bigger, use a 'better' material and supposedly offer better gust response - they should therefore be faster.  Frank Bethwaite is on record as saying he believes they are 5% faster, but that could just be marketting talk.  The Aussie Tasar forum claims they are consistently much quicker than the dacron sails (except in the lightest of winds), but the UK site reports mixed results so far.  I would have thought that a PN around 990 would be a fair first stab.  Why I read these sites I don't know, I don't own a Tasar!
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Check out this link, which gives the whole rationale, and according to which the Mylars are 'marginally faster':

http://www.members.shaw.ca/raspencer/news/2005/mylar_12.html

Lots more on the Australian Tasar web-site.

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I don't know if its relevant but when my club had a good fleet of 505s. one boat converted to a Kevlar sail plan and the rest were still on dacrons. Nobody considered asking for the PN to be changed on that boat. Reckon the Mylar sails on the Tasar is more to increase the life of competitive sails than to enhance performance and also make the boat more aesthetically pleasing.
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"So can any class change its sail plan, then sail around on its old PN, winning everything for a year or so, before anything changes?"

Yes, and classes like International 14s do it regularly instead of once every 25 years don't they?

If I remember rightly, the new sails are not supposed to be significantly, if at all, faster. That was a half-remembered mid-race conversation with one of the guys who makes the sails and is a tasar chamo, but I can't recall clearly.
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Any views on the upgraded sails from Austrailian forum members?
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I believe that the new Tasar sails have proved no faster as yet than the old dacron ones. There is no real reason why they should. We are sailing a Tasar this season and to day we struggled up wind in a gusty 3-4 making the PY seem over optomistic. We then lent the boat to my son and my daughters boy friend who swapped over each lap and made us realise how fast the boat is and how slow we are. It howls on the reaches but is dificult to master up wind by us two old buggers. Can we have our own PY please?
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