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    Posted: 10 Apr 06 at 5:49pm
There's some odd views being expressed in this thread that really are down to people's prejudices. I'm not sure how some of you can objectively offer advice that is so biased. There are a large number of boats out there suitable, the difficulty is getting a chance to sail them so the crew that asked the original question can make their own decision.

I sail a not too strict OD but there is nothing wrong with something stricter (like the Laser II) or less restrictive N12 or Cherub. There is a slight cost implication, especially when you start to get near the front of the open fleet but that applies just as much to ODs How often do the top laser sailors change their sails, is it £400 a throw, 2 or 3 times a season?

When you're learning making fewer mistakes is far more important than new sails or a carbon mast... Dependent on your ability something which is a bit forgiving might be important so you don't spend all your time swimming!

What is probably most important if you are going to start racing is what your local club sails = help, advice and some competition so you can judge your pace against others. If you plan to go to opens then local class is not so important but still nice to have someone to sail with when at your local club.

I hope this helps a bit!

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Originally posted by carshalton fc

alright strawberry ur starting to act like a 5 year old that has lost his dummy.  to be honist there is no point in villen getting a cherub cos on his £1500 budget he will have to get an old one that wont keep up with the 05rules ones but if he bought a 29er,3k etc(one design) he could be comptative for very little money.


So you expect him to be able to buy a decent 29er, 3k etc for £1500? what happens when you need new sails? you go to the one place that sells them (the manufacturer) and get charged as much as they like because theres no market presure keeping their prices competative.

A £1500 cherub might not keep up with the brand new 05 boats, but you can have an incredible amount of fun and still enjoy great racing with most of the rest of the fleet who arent 05.

My boat (with the same hull design as the winner and second placed boat at the last open) will be on the water looking like new with an 05 kite and 97 ruleswhite sails for under his budget so since you have no leg to stand on, id suggest you shut up.


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i think u cherub boys are talking sh*t i just dont know how u can make a competative boat for £1500 that is crazy  u would have to know alot of people or just be very good at stealing. 

well u can get a 4k for just under 2000 and it is fully competative.  sails cost alot in any class but they are always going to be cheaper in a devolpment class cos the sailmakers have some compertion unlike laser who dont.

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Guys, Guys. A 97 rules converted Cherub would have been an excellent choice for him, and pretty reasonable Cherubs to that spec used to be gettable for about the 1500 quid mark.

But the fact is that what the Cherub rule set is now is not what he wants, and that's all there is to it. Its highly unlikely that anyone is going to get any kind of reasonably recent Cherub with a view to keeping it as a single string 12.5m white sail boat, and it would not in any way be in the interests of the class if people were to start doing so, so its really not a great idea to suggest it.
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Originally posted by carshalton fc

i think u cherub boys are talking sh*t i just dont know how u can make a competative boat for £1500 that is crazy  u would have to know alot of people or just be very good at stealing. 

Firstly, you don't have to make a compeitive boat for £1500, you can buy one.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with knowing people or stealing, it's called sailing a class which isn't controlled by a manufacturer.



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Had a bad day, Strawberry?
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Not at all. It just seems that I have made a very reasonable suggestion to someone lookin for advice. And through that three forumites have taken the opportunity to slate Cherubs. It's completely uncalled for. What have you got against Cherubs?

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Originally posted by NickA

Buzz - bit big but stable; not seen one for < £2k.

there are the occassional one, have a look on www.bu22.co.uk on the message board.

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Originally posted by carshalton fc

i think u cherub boys are talking sh*t i just dont know how u can make a competative boat for £1500 that is crazy  u would have to know alot of people or just be very good at stealing.

If youd like me to run through my project costs so far then drop me a PM.
However, if you do that you might be forced to accept that development classes are just not as expensive as you keep trying to mindlessly claim which would be a shame for your egos sake.

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Originally posted by Strawberry

Not at all. It just seems that I have made a very reasonable suggestion to someone lookin for advice. And through that three forumites have taken the opportunity to slate Cherubs. It's completely uncalled for. What have you got against Cherubs?


And it's not as though no one's made uninformed/biased statements about SMODs is it? A Cherub may be a reasonable suggestion, but from my limited experience with them you have to be very careful to get a good boat. One problem you inevitably get with home built boats is uncertainty over the build quality of the boat, which, whilst I'm sure someone will say can be much better than professional builds, is at least uniform, and you know that it's unlikely to be falling to pieces. As for saying SMODs are expensive, I bought a twin wire, high performance boat with relatively low outgoings with a large suit of sails (inclusing brand new main, jib and kite) and a lot of other kit and spares for £1800. As for saying SMODs are just as bad in terms of needing lots of money thrown at them, I think most people would agree that a new sail will normally make less difference than a T foil rudder or upgrading to a new rule set..
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