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    Posted: 28 Feb 06 at 2:42pm

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Thats my point!  It is up to the club to arrange and fund these events, surely as the infrastructure is already in place it would not be a huge leap for the RYA to try a few adult coaching weekends and see how they go, after all it is the adult majority membership who provide significant portion of their funding.  The cost of running such an event would be relatively low, the hosting club can provide the infrastructure in return for an increase in bar takings! All the RYA need to bring is a couple of coaches some video cameras and maybe a few RIBs.  I might even consider joining if I had access to this type of event!

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A couple of coaches with RIBs for a weekend is well over £1000. Personnally I would not call this a relatively low cost! 



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sailing shouldnt take it personally, '20 somethings' do very little sports of any description nowadays. '20 somethings' are often either at uni or have just got onto the employment ladder and paying off all their student debts. furthermore 20 something sailors often find that their parental funding which payed for sailing in previous years dries up all of a sudden.
its no suprise that such an expensive sport would have trouble keeping these people invovled.

and then you have the myraid of other distractions available, most of which on the face of it seem a great deal more appealing than sailing.
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From the club perspective I definately feel there is a barrier at the SI level and I've commented on that to Dave Ritchie.  However, when I deliver a 'start racing' course at the club I'm also representing the RYA and the same goes for the 'Club & Class Coaches' who run one day class training.  This is because the RYA administer the sport and support those who are qualified (yes they could do a lot more, but perhaps we need to ask for the resources and support we want a bit more).  Check out the resources to support racing coaching on the website (I assume the're still there on the new website) if you want ideas.

As Jon points out there is nothing to stop a club from employing him to run a training event at a level I can't match.  Is this forum just suggesting they get Jon through the RYA rather than direct or that the RYA should pay for coaching services?

I don't necessarily agree with everything the RYA does and am forced to be a member by virtue of being an instructor but regardless of that you need to be engaged, otherwise how can you shape it (and the future) to your needs.

Perhaps club instructors are a resource the RYA could use to improve their profile with club members?  Maybe I'll share that with Dave Ritchie at the Dinghy Show if he buys me a beer

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Originally posted by KnightMare

Again agreeing about the RYA levels being far to easy to obtain. I know of people doing AI courses with out being able to sail upwind properly  I think its more of the fact that instructors are unwilling to fail people. than the courses are too easy.



Thats unforgivable and definitely down to the instructor. I had a bit of a job to get my AI as we had one of the regional inspectors in the day our SI decided to assess me. She seemed quite happy and was surprised I wasn;t a full instructor (but we wont go in to that...club politics).
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Originally posted by jeffers

Also there is a lad at my club who has been National Champion in his class some 4 or 5 times. He was offered a youth squad place by the RYA but declined as he believes the RYA scheme teaches the youth to bend the rules if not break them (he is one of the fairest and fastest sailors I know).
Yeah I know people like that. Im not so sure about the breaking the rules but certainly win at all costs kind of teaching.

Again agreeing about the RYA levels being far to easy to obtain. I know of people doing AI courses with out being able to sail upwind properly  I think its more of the fact that instructors are unwilling to fail people. than the courses are too easy.

Well done to the RYA for the PY etc but that is just giving a comparison between boats and not to do with coaching. I think the RYA needs to give more of a 'push' to the clubs to start organising training.
From experience it can be difficult for clubs to get instructors especialy SIs I think that if the RYA gave help to clubs to train up instructors it would help with the training side of adult sailing.
It can go under the guise of if there are trainers at a club then they are able to arange more training for the grass roots youth sailors to bring more in to the RYAs reach... Sorted  *ducks for cover*

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Garry,

I think the problem is that the public perception is that the RYA is elitist and is not overly worried about the club sailor. Until that perception changes this problem will continue to exist.

I am not suggesting they organised training for every adult sailor in the country but perhaps they should make their club level efforts better publicised. We all read about how the likes of Ben Ainslie, Paul Goodison, Giles Scott and co in the sailing press, what we people do not see is what else the RYA is doing. The answer is not join them and see, people want to see what they get for their hard earned cash before they go spending it. Hence why I am join the Blaze CA as they are doing an awful lot for the class whereas the Laser class eemed to be of the opinion that they are big enough and will always get members so didn't really make much effort.

I still feel on CA membership that when a brand new boat is sold it should come with 1 years free class association membership for people new to the class.

Again just my 2p (and the RYA opinion is very common among people in my club, only those that have to be members are members).

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Some interesting points, I would add...

But surely clubs are organising things for their older members its just they don't get headline publicity.

The coaching weekends organised by Dinghy Magazine (Sorry Gael & Mark) are, as I understand it, supported by the RYA - don't know to what extent though.

The RYA racing conference in December did discuss Olympic strategies but also covered many other areas, unfortunately it was poorly supported from clubs and classes (a missed opportunity to influence the RYA, I think).

Training and racing coaching are separated within the RYA I don't know to what extent that is real but I feel there is a lack momentum.

Just as visibility of what the class associations do is lacking I feel this is also the case with the RYA.  But what we need is their support to organise these activities ourselves rather than direction and spoon feeding from the centre. 

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I think the RYA has got a long way to go to sort out the disillusionment in the adult sailing population. How many people here are individual members of the RYA compared to those who are not?

I agree they do a good job in administering things like the PY system and the sailing and traing courses (although I find the latest levels a bit oo easy to gain, I started sailing when the NDSC was your first step and you needed to know quite a lot to get it).

However I do not agree with the way they appear to be elitist and do very little otherwise for 'joe public' in the sailing community.

I am sure this will stir up a hornets nest......

FWIW I am a member of my class association (or will be when I get to Ali Pali and hand over my cheque). I did not join the Laser class association as I saw little benefit, with the Blaze class association I can see a huge benefit.

Also there is a lad at my club who has been National Champion in his class some 4 or 5 times. He was offered a youth squad place by the RYA but declined as he believes the RYA scheme teaches the youth to bend the rules if not break them (he is one of the fairest and fastest sailors I know).

Just my 2p as always)

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It doesnt even need to fund it realy It just needs to be there to start the idea. Endorsing the idea will give it more credit with some people.

I do agree with people that the youths tha do show promise at a young age dont always go on to shine during adult hood, There is definatly a need to keep people in sailing after the parents stop giving the money for them to sail. That I think is one of the key factors to do with people not keeping on sailing.

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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

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This of course is a good thing but looking at the numbers of boats at Topper, Oppie, Mirror etc Nationals seems there are already loads of kids sailing.

Most of whose mums or dads sail, in my experience. Broadening the catchment is the issue. 

Broadening the catchment is a worthy cause but when you look at the participation levels beyon 18 there is a marked fall off. Youth classes are sailed in huge numbers ... where are all the 20 somthings?

Just shoving more people into the sport and not addressing the wastage is a missed opportunity.

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