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Ian99 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 07 Apr 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 138 |
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There's very little difference in speed between a 10 year old Fireball and a new one - nothing significant has changed since the mid nineties, so most of the potential gain has gone there. This is reflected in the handicap which has dropped from 995 to 982 since the new handicaps came out. The key to "doing well" in a handicap series is to use a boat that's consistent across a range of conditions. This also gives you the best sense of achievement, as if you do badly you can't blame the wind or course "not suiting the boat" To be honest, you never can really get a decent handicap race between boats such as the 29er / B14 etc against GP14s / N12s etc as once the 29er, B14 etc get going properly they'll sail a lot faster than their handicap, but in the wrong conditions (light) will probably struggle to keep up with the 12s on the water! Handicap racing is always a compromise - you're far better off sailing a boat that doesn't quite "suit you" if there is a fleet to race against at your local club, rather than always blaming the "wrong conditions" for your boat going slowly. |
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Paramedic ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 929 |
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This is true, but there is a large differance - or at least one percieved within the class - between the kevlar and glass boats, wide bow and fine bow and also composite / FRP / Wood boats. I wasn't aware that the handicap had changed, and the fact that it has so significantly makes the FB assocciation look bad for only sponsoring a 1 or 2 point bonus for the classic fleet sailors! I still think it has a good handicap though, provided of course there is wind. |
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tickel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408 |
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If you look at the results of the "Bloody Mary" and the "Tiger Trophy" over the last few years it is obvious that the problem of best boat overall is insoluble. At the Southport "24" G.P.'s win when it blows and ents when it dosent. Larks look fast but struggle for results. Just sail what you like and do your best!
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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The handicap has not changed as much as the performance has. A 'modern' (wide bow, foam sandwich) hull is significantly faster than and old 'traditional' (narrow bow, wood oe GRP). We estimated the difference to be around 2 minutes per hour during general discussions in the fireball fleet and at the nationals. However as with any class a well sailed old boat can still mix it with the new boats. I do expect to see the Fireball handicap get faster over the next few years as the 'wide bow' boats are now making down in increasing numbers to club level sailors. |
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Paul
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rogerd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1076 |
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A furballer admitting its a bandit handicap. I bet you wouldnt say that on the fastsail site or with Steve G nearby.
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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I would.....and I have Roger.
It is well documented the Fireball is a good boat on handicap (and at the right venue, Hunts is a little small for them). |
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