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    Posted: 26 Nov 05 at 12:40pm
Go iain. I totally agree with your comment!
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Originally posted by Iain C

The SMOD manufacturers just don't seem interested in doing the R&D prior to product launch

Maybe true for some SMODs but beware of sweeping statements like this as they discredit the valid points you make.

The Musto underwent an extensive testing programme in the UK, Germany and Italy. This delayed  the launch by perhaps a year allowing RS to follow into the market with the 700 but I believe the testing programme was worth the effort. Owners opinions and sales of new boats and second hand prices verify that.

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The musto is an exception with their development though Rick, and whilst ive never sailed one it looks like they've ended up with a great boat as a result. How many other new smods can you say that for though?

I totaly agree with Iains comments though.
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Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by Iain C

The SMOD manufacturers just don't seem interested in doing the R&D prior to product launch

Maybe true for some SMODs but beware of sweeping statements like this as they discredit the valid points you make.

The Musto underwent an extensive testing programme in the UK, Germany and Italy. This delayed  the launch by perhaps a year allowing RS to follow into the market with the 700 but I believe the testing programme was worth the effort. Owners opinions and sales of new boats and second hand prices verify that.

Rick

Rick, you're absolutly right, I take that bit back.  What I should have said is that SOME new classes are rushed to market before perhaps before they should have been.  Apologies.

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I realise what everyone is saying but my point was that if manufacturers decided that a gap in the market was filled, we wouldn't have some of the classes that a lot of us enjoy sailing. My personal point of veiw is that the V3000 is a cracking boat and the RS500 will have to be something special to go head to head with it. They've also got the Vago to contend with, should be interesting.......

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I can see a gap from their point of view. For me there's no real nice modern asymettric boat in that weight bracket other than the 29er, and I while I think the stuff about having to be mega talnted to sail that is BS I can well understand why adults wouldn't want to sail in the class...

I'm sure the V3000 is a nice boat, but the hull shape is at best 1974 technology...

R&D wise the bethwaites do shedloads more than anyone else, but RS are probably best of the rest from what I can make out.

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Originally posted by Bumble

' help! I can't sell my RS600 cos second hand versions arn't worth a bean anymore and I don't want it either'.

Bumble he is buying another 600. Maybe you shld read the other topics before changing people's words!!


There is a guy at my sailing club who a few yr's ago finished 5th (i think) in the 29er nat's 1 a few races and he got alot better in the following 2 yrs getting to a point where he was sailing the 29er stupidly well but he never went bk to the nat's again on the grounds that the social part of it was crap. The youths came in packed up there boats and were on coaches away from the venue. He is older and it left him and his crew little to do and spoiled the event for them! With an RS u r less likely to get this. I mean the RS socials are ledgendry!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bumble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Nov 05 at 3:53am

Originally posted by Calum_Reid

Originally posted by Bumble

' help! I can't sell my RS600 cos second hand versions arn't worth a bean anymore and I don't want it either'.

Bumble he is buying another 600. Maybe you shld read the other topics before changing people's words!!

I did introduce that as a 'changing of words' ....... just cos he's buying another doesn't mean he wants the existing one - or do people on this forum like to sell stuff they really want to keep?

Sombody else refered to this reply as 'a bit harsh'..... I was just trying to be jockular while outlining that many SMOD's don't hold value too well. As an RS600 owner I feel entitled to a critique on these terms. That response was in no way intended as an extension of the 'bad time to sell' thread, but a continuation of this one.... to paraphrase Well's - I'd write it again!!!

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i dont think that the 600 prices represent much depreciation to be fair. there are a lot of other classes out there that lose there value a lot more. And with the way things are going i can see there being a lot more dmenad for second hand RS' just purely to do with there social scene and really well organised circuit, not that other classes dont have this, just that the RS events are shared by a lot of classes and thus a ot of people of ALL ages which is the big selling factor to me anyway. Coming from a youth sailing background but choosing not to go into the laser was perhaps the best decision ive made yet. Sailing the Moth and the 200 has been great fun over the last few seasons. Ive learnt loads in a much broader feild than i would have done if just solely sailing a Laser. And the social scenes are second to none.
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Originally posted by Chris Noble

i dont think that the 600 prices represent much depreciation to be fair. there are a lot of other classes out there that lose there value a lot more........

To be fair....... some equal that level of depreciation, some exceed it, but not many - and particularly not non SMODs. I'm not knocking th RS600 or any other RS's as a class, I think they are mint, but I wouldn't recommed one to someone on any kind of budget.

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