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rodney 
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 Topic: Phantom / VareoPosted: 29 Aug 12 at 7:33pm |
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Rodney Cobb
Suntouched Sailboats Limited http://www.suntouched.co.uk [EMAIL=rodney@suntouched.co.uk">rodney@suntouched.co.uk |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 6:54pm |
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What a shame they don't fit a spinnaker on a Blaze then you could have the best of both worlds, oh did several hundred people suggest that already and the dozy builders ignored us?
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rodney
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 6:18pm |
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Obviously I would say Finn but given your budget and other circumstances go for the Phantom without hesitation. It will hold it's value better than the Vareo and also, surprisingly, give you more pleasure
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Rodney Cobb
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Roger
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 5:37pm |
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Another vote for the Phantom, 15st ideal weight for a restricted water, great fun boat that will give you plenty to do offwind if you want to get the best from it, as you say great circuit and if looked after the boat will hold its value well.
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blaze720
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 5:02pm |
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If we can't persuade you to look towards a Blaze (with or without Halo rig) .. well the only worthwhile option on your list has simply got to be the Phantom ! No comparison really and no need to list the pro's and con's - don't need too ... just try the options and see what you think yourself.
Mike L. Edited by blaze720 - 29 Aug 12 at 5:02pm |
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Moppo
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 4:16pm |
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Respect the Vareo...
I'd go for the Phantom: Vareo always seems like a compromise, and whilst I have been utterly whipped by one on the water (being sailed properly) I just don't think it's as good a boat as the Phantom.
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pondmonkey
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 4:04pm |
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Owned both- given your restricted water note, go for the Phantom.
Another measure... How many of each at the club? Go for the bigger number.... Fleet racing, even a mini fleet inside a PY race will be better than sodding around against a spreadsheet and a some bloke with a stopwatch. |
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skslr
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 3:38pm |
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No experience on a Phantom, but for just having fun the Vareo is great, even on restricted water. It might not accelerate to 20 knots, it even might be not faster around a course than a Laser depending on conditions. Which actually helps with restricted waters... But when it planes with the kite up hiking out and being so close to the water gives you a really fun sensation compared to heeling conventional singlehanders to windward while slowly going downwind. I also like the cockpit layout, but that is again rather in comparison to a Laser... |
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gbr940
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 3:20pm |
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Phantom...easy!
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gordon1277
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Posted: 29 Aug 12 at 3:14pm |
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Hi
a chap at our club a bit lighter than me so similar weight to you sold his Phantom to buy a vareo and finds it is so slow and wont point upwind compared to the Phantom that he very rarely can compete and that is on the Solent. I know the original spinnaker was designed for windward leeward racing and suffers on general club courses, but they have since made a flatter version. Last year we at Lee had an official RS VAREO event and 4 boats turned up, against 13 phantoms. If you want to race and do opens Phantom, blast about for fun RS vareo a great boat. Biased but my opinion is of course correct! Good luck whatever you choose. |
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