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Ian99 
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 Topic: Symetric SpinnakerPosted: 04 May 05 at 2:11pm |
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My last fireball had a self launching pole and bags when I bought it. It wasn't really any quicker, and the second time I used the boat, the self launching pole self retracted with a lot of force on a tight reach and nearly got me in the face! I replaced it the same day with a proper double ended pole - don't like paying dentists lots of money....... |
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redback
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Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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Posted: 03 May 05 at 11:46pm |
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Self launching poles have to be retracted before the gybe? If so, its not such a good idea since this lets the boat slow before you gybe. Take it from somebody who sails with a kite of 18 sq m, gybe whilst going fast and its relatively easy.
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gary
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Joined: 02 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 55 |
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Posted: 03 May 05 at 3:01pm |
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Bags, yup Pumping halyard, cool Wouldn't bother with the self launching pole thou. Single, double ended (or single ended if you're into spearing your helm!) pole is the only way to go in a fireball.
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lemeouttahere
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Posted: 03 May 05 at 12:00pm |
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pumping the kite up is a genius invention i love it. but what i wana know is why dont more fireballs hav self launching poles with bags, all the boats in which iv seen them with hav chutes. i am going for the best of both, self launcher an bags with pumping haliard so roll on the worlds!!! |
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KnightMare
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Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 12:18pm |
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Yeah a sym up and set in 3-5secs,
 and most of that is the time it takes to hoist.
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Jamie
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Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 12:02pm |
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The situation is the same for all the other boats around you. If you are the only one hoisting and everyone else is leaving it you should be asking why are you the only one kiting. Beyond that you will only be affected if you have a less smooth hoist system or a worse hoist procedure than the opposition. Plus the crew doesn't have enough hands to hoist at that paticular moment of the hoist. It is perfectly possible with a smooth hoist to have a sym kite up and set just as fast an an asym. it is all a matter of preparation, technique and knowing what you want to do. And the helms could manage it before the asyms came along. What has changed since then? Edited by Jamie |
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Ian99
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Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 11:47am |
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If the spinnaker has a bag, there is no way the crew can sensibly hoist it - far too many other things to do at that point! Try a pump up system - means you can hoist the kite whilst hiking out If it's a really tight reach or a lot of people are luffing (and you're in a single trapeze boat) - give the crew the mainsheet and tiller to let him do the aggressive luffing as needed whilst fully powered up. Then the helm can go forward and put the pole on, and then hoist the spinnaker without the boat ever coming off the plane. The only problem with this is the danger of running into the back of people who are hoisting in the conventional fashion (or even worse have ended up with the kite in the windward bag)! Oh, and the crew needs to be able to helm as well
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redback
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Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 11:16am |
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I'm not keen on helms doing the hoisting. Its just when you are bearing away that you can get luffed or rolled. Doing manoeuvers near marks are the most tactical moments - when the helm must have as much freedom as possible to outwit the opposition.
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Iain C
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Posted: 29 Apr 05 at 12:07am |
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Much easier than grab kite in one hand, release bag with the other, one hand on mast whilst other hand throws kite forward whilst saying "321 hoist" at the perfect moment. Congratulations you're now halfway there, all you have to now do is set the twinner, pick up the sheet and get out. Trust me, I was not sure to start with. Practice 20 hoists, then time it the new way and the old way. Bet you're converted... PS the top top top guys have been doing it this way for about, ooooo, 7 years... |
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redback
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Posted: 28 Apr 05 at 10:31pm |
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When I was in Scorpions we used twin poles - good for getting up and down but poor for gybes. The reason its bad for gybes is the the crew has to go forward before and after the gybe. If I was in that sort of class these days I'd have a pole system which allowed you to go straight into the gybe and then sort it out afterwards. That way you could have speed into the gybe which makes life a lot easier in a breeze.
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