RS Vision or Topper Omega?

   I'd agree with Villian on the Bahia comments.

Scribble the Bahia of the list 100 times over and write Stratos instead!

But you say you want a boat to sail singlehanded. Any boat can be sailed SH but only in light winds. I'd say get a ride in something, the other thing you haven't mentioned is your location. Us lot are spread all over so I am sure someone will be able to assist in recommending a place.

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radixon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407	Post Options Post Reply Quote radixon Report Post Quote Reply Topic: RS Vision or Topper Omega? Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 9:56pm
	I'd agree with Villian on the Bahia comments. Scribble the Bahia of the list 100 times over and write Stratos instead! But you say you want a boat to sail singlehanded. Any boat can be sailed SH but only in light winds. I'd say get a ride in something, the other thing you haven't mentioned is your location. Us lot are spread all over so I am sure someone will be able to assist in recommending a place.

HannahJ Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 23 Jul 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 861	Post Options Post Reply Quote HannahJ Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 9:23pm
	Afraid I'm another for the old-school variety. Wayfarer or GP14, nicely balanced, easy to singlehand. I find the Vision very heavy on the steering, somewhat overpowered even when reefed, and... just looks too much like a training boat, whereas the new Wayfarers and GP14s look quite snazzy. I'd try them out, of the new ones seems like the Vision is your man, but from personal experience I just wouldn't...
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feva sailor Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 03 Sep 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 186	Post Options Post Reply Quote feva sailor Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 8:56pm
	RS vission unless you want to learn how to drive an aircraft carrier then get the omega

Villan Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1768	Post Options Post Reply Quote Villan Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 8:20pm
	NO!! Not a Bahia!! Please, Save yourself. We have a few, broken 3 rudder pins, a centerboard ... All in 3 months ... It seems the Bahia is lasers "OHMIGAWD LDC and Topper are making more boats than us .. Quick ... Rush something out! " idea over a pint. It weighs about 8 tonnes and is as ugly .. well .. as an ugly thing! Vision felt SO much better when I sailed it ... But you still cant beat a good, old fasioned, Wayfarer. Also take a look at the Leader. Slightly scaled down Wayfarer.
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NathanL Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote NathanL Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 8:10pm
	Gaa! Bahia is £5195 retail so would be do-able secondhand on my budget. Ferchrissakes thats 3 boats I have on the list now! I knew I shouldn't have posted on here! Looks like the Omega maybe dropping off the list soon I think though.

NathanL Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 03 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote NathanL Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 8:05pm
	Wow quick replies! Anything Laser seems to be out of my price range..... I will have about £4~5k tops so must be secondhand too. I agree that the GP14/Larks etc will all still be good boats but I just feel like I want a 'new design' boat. Thats not meant to sound snooty, I just prefer modern stuff. Other than that it seems the Vision is getting more favour than the Omega, especially as it seems that Ross has first hand experience. I must say though, can a modern boat REALLY be that bad?! What was wrong with them Ross? I will take a look at the Bahia but fell it will be out of my price range... Cheers

radixon Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 27 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2407	Post Options Post Reply Quote radixon Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 8:04pm
	It would assist by informing us of your budget. The Vision is the better of the two (Omega/Vision) because it is better made and second hand are available. For that reason the Omega and the Bahia (as mentioned) are not as easy to shift selling second hand. The Bahia is new to the market and I would suggest a test sail, I wouldn't part with my cash for one, that is after sailing it. You may find on this occasion that a Wayfarer is suitable because of the room it has and the availability of boats. It depends where and what type of sailing oyu are intending to do. They are widely available and also at varying prices dependin on age. Most though are good solid boats.

foaminatthedeck Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 18 May 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 318	Post Options Post Reply Quote foaminatthedeck Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 7:53pm
	How about looking at GP14 or Larks for a cheeper alternative. IMHO the Vision is better than the Omega.
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Webmuppet Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 11 Mar 06 Location: Suffolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 534	Post Options Post Reply Quote Webmuppet Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 7:41pm
	What about a Laser Bahia? - very easy to reef, similar format to a Vision but slightly bigger and a more modern design that the Omega........might be worth trying to get a test sail in one. It's not long 'til the Boat Show and Dinghy Show and there's bound to be a few deals to be done if you're after a new boat, Nigel
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Ross Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 02 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1163	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ross Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 03 Nov 08 at 7:38pm
	Omegas are truly HORRIBLE boats. We had them at work and while they are low maintainence they feel very cheap, very nasty and they are terrible to sail. RS products seem to be much better than Toppers but I havn't seen Vision so I can't comment on it.
	Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it!