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i would second ratface with the rs300. it takes most people a year or so to get the hang of and most people (even on the circuit) will still go for a swim in 20knots +. but when you get it (im just about (?) starting to having bought the boat in august) then it feels so effortless as you fly past slower boats. if you want wet this boat will do that (not with spray). however it is very twitchy and very hard work to keep upright let alone race. i would say its as hard to sail as a single trapeze boat but without the hassle of hooking on etc.

apart from that, try 420 if you want assymetric, i would reccomend the rs500 as a easier to sail 29er which will also take weight well. the 500's are nice and forgiving but still good fun in a breeze and i have been teaching new helms/ crews as school in them (straight after they come out of picos and toppers).

i would say try each boat that you may like and make your decision based on a few sails in different conditions.
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Originally posted by tmoore

i would second ratface with the rs300. it takes most people a year or so to get the hang of and most people (even on the circuit) will still go for a swim in 20knots +. but when you get it (im just about (?) starting to having bought the boat in august) then it feels so effortless as you fly past slower boats. if you want wet this boat will do that (not with spray). however it is very twitchy and very hard work to keep upright let alone race. i would say its as hard to sail as a single trapeze boat but without the hassle of hooking on etc.

apart from that, try 420 if you want assymetric, i would reccomend the rs500 as a easier to sail 29er which will also take weight well. the 500's are nice and forgiving but still good fun in a breeze and i have been teaching new helms/ crews as school in them (straight after they come out of picos and toppers).

i would say try each boat that you may like and make your decision based on a few sails in different conditions.



took me 30 minutes out on the shifty bbsc to be able to sail the 300 at decent pace, this is according to the regular circuit sailor who's boat i was sailing, but that is after about 6 months in the 600.
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I don't think there is even any point in suggesting anything until you are 100% sure whether you want to sail single or doublehanded, asymm or symm, single wire, twin wire, singlehanded wire or no wire.  Otherwise it will turn into a pointless debate with each owner suggesting what they sail as it's clearly the best.

If you can't decide, then go for something SMODdy and versatile like a Vago or a Vareo.
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Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

Originally posted by tmoore

i would second ratface with the rs300. it takes most people a year or so to get the hang of and most people (even on the circuit) will still go for a swim in 20knots +. but when you get it (im just about (?) starting to having bought the boat in august) then it feels so effortless as you fly past slower boats. if you want wet this boat will do that (not with spray). however it is very twitchy and very hard work to keep upright let alone race. i would say its as hard to sail as a single trapeze boat but without the hassle of hooking on etc.

apart from that, try 420 if you want assymetric, i would reccomend the rs500 as a easier to sail 29er which will also take weight well. the 500's are nice and forgiving but still good fun in a breeze and i have been teaching new helms/ crews as school in them (straight after they come out of picos and toppers).

i would say try each boat that you may like and make your decision based on a few sails in different conditions.



took me 30 minutes out on the shifty bbsc to be able to sail the 300 at decent pace, this is according to the regular circuit sailor who's boat i was sailing, but that is after about 6 months in the 600.

 

You must be super human then because steve Cockeral found it hard! The 300 to sail at an iopen event pace will take 6 months to a year! FACT
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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

Originally posted by tmoore

i would second ratface with the rs300. it takes most people a year or so to get the hang of and most people (even on the circuit) will still go for a swim in 20knots +. but when you get it (im just about (?) starting to having bought the boat in august) then it feels so effortless as you fly past slower boats. if you want wet this boat will do that (not with spray). however it is very twitchy and very hard work to keep upright let alone race. i would say its as hard to sail as a single trapeze boat but without the hassle of hooking on etc.

apart from that, try 420 if you want assymetric, i would reccomend the rs500 as a easier to sail 29er which will also take weight well. the 500's are nice and forgiving but still good fun in a breeze and i have been teaching new helms/ crews as school in them (straight after they come out of picos and toppers).

i would say try each boat that you may like and make your decision based on a few sails in different conditions.



took me 30 minutes out on the shifty bbsc to be able to sail the 300 at decent pace, this is according to the regular circuit sailor whose boat i was sailing, but that is after about 6 months in the 600.

 

You must be super human then because steve Cockerill found it hard! The 300 to sail at an open event pace will take 6 months to a year! FACT

Yeah but you haven't met George! He only took so long because he didn't want the other guys from BBSC to feel inadequate, that's all.

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

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i would second ratface with the rs300. it takes most people a year or so to get the hang of and most people (even on the circuit) will still go for a swim in 20knots +. but when you get it (im just about (?) starting to having bought the boat in august) then it feels so effortless as you fly past slower boats. if you want wet this boat will do that (not with spray). however it is very twitchy and very hard work to keep upright let alone race. i would say its as hard to sail as a single trapeze boat but without the hassle of hooking on etc.

apart from that, try 420 if you want assymetric, i would reccomend the rs500 as a easier to sail 29er which will also take weight well. the 500's are nice and forgiving but still good fun in a breeze and i have been teaching new helms/ crews as school in them (straight after they come out of picos and toppers).

i would say try each boat that you may like and make your decision based on a few sails in different conditions.



took me 30 minutes out on the shifty bbsc to be able to sail the 300 at decent pace, this is according to the regular circuit sailor whose boat i was sailing, but that is after about 6 months in the 600.

 

You must be super human then because steve Cockerill found it hard! The 300 to sail at an open event pace will take 6 months to a year! FACT

Yeah but you haven't met George! He only took so long because he didn't want the other guys from BBSC to feel inadequate, that's all.


Thanks BNS All i'm saying is i didn't find the 300 hard to sail at all and that's on a shifty, gusty lake. I'm not claiming that i'm better than mr. cockerill because that's just not true, ps decent pace doesn't open event pace, before you have a go you might want to read what was said. You can bring your 300 down to bbsc and i'll prove it to you if you like
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Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

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Originally posted by Merlinboy

Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

Originally posted by tmoore

i would second ratface with the rs300. it takes most people a year or so to get the hang of and most people (even on the circuit) will still go for a swim in 20knots +. but when you get it (im just about (?) starting to having bought the boat in august) then it feels so effortless as you fly past slower boats. if you want wet this boat will do that (not with spray). however it is very twitchy and very hard work to keep upright let alone race. i would say its as hard to sail as a single trapeze boat but without the hassle of hooking on etc.

apart from that, try 420 if you want assymetric, i would reccomend the rs500 as a easier to sail 29er which will also take weight well. the 500's are nice and forgiving but still good fun in a breeze and i have been teaching new helms/ crews as school in them (straight after they come out of picos and toppers).

i would say try each boat that you may like and make your decision based on a few sails in different conditions.



took me 30 minutes out on the shifty bbsc to be able to sail the 300 at decent pace, this is according to the regular circuit sailor whose boat i was sailing, but that is after about 6 months in the 600.

 

You must be super human then because steve Cockerill found it hard! The 300 to sail at an open event pace will take 6 months to a year! FACT

Yeah but you haven't met George! He only took so long because he didn't want the other guys from BBSC to feel inadequate, that's all.


Thanks BNS All i'm saying is i didn't find the 300 hard to sail at all and that's on a shifty, gusty lake. I'm not claiming that i'm better than mr. cockerill because that's just not true, ps decent pace doesn't open event pace, before you have a go you might want to read what was said. You can bring your 300 down to bbsc and i'll prove it to you if you like


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George i have read it and it says it took 30mins on a shifty lake (probably the hardest conditions to sail a 3 in) to sail a 300 at decent pace by a regular circuit sailor, thus suggesting that it is of open circuit decent pace! I was going to take mine to BBSc for the recent open but its a bloody long way to travel for a one day event for me!
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[QUOTE=Merlinboy]George i have read it and it says it took 30mins on a shifty lake (probably the hardest conditions to sail a 3 in) to sail a 300 at decent pace by a regular circuit sailor, thus suggesting that it is of open circuit decent pace! I was going to take mine to BBSc for the recent open but its a bloody long way to travel for a one day event for me![/QUOTE)

 Fair enough i could see how that could be read like that. In my honest opinion from the couple of times I've sailed the 300 i never really found it that challenging, but have always enjoyed sailing the 300, but for me i prefer the 600.

Ratface, i just sailed at crawley mariners, which is smaller still than where you sail, it was also so shallow that we could put the board more than half way down in the 200. As for the shifts, some of the headers actually tacked the boat, with us still hiking flat out Never ever ever going back there, ever


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