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    Posted: 25 Jan 05 at 10:19pm

I am suprised no one has suggested this yet.

How about the 59er?? Its relativly quick, could be classed as a skiff, sit in boat rather than on top of. There not that scary a boat to sail but then you still have a full carbon mast with a mast head kite.

The only problem is that its not going to be as bullet proof as a dart 16 as its not plastic.

Dart 16's are appaling boats in my opinion, at the NSSA nationals we had 6 brand new dart 16's. By the end of the day sailing in a 16 building to 24 knots every single halyard had broken on every boat, 3 of the masts had fallen down and you can't sail them downwind in more than 22 knots as there is a high risk of pitchpoling, also if you do capsize they drift downwind very quickly as there is hardly anything of them in the water and they are cifficult to right.

other catermarans maybe a better option if you want a cat, otherwise I think you would be best off with a 59er (www.ovingtonboats.com).

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Skiffman,

Sorry if I am missing something, but surely the 59er doesnt really fit the bill. It doesn't have the option of a trapeze, so no practice there, it seems a might high requirements for a single handed beginner (145kg+ ideal crew weight) and it really is way too expensive and not very bullet proof.

I've sailed darts, and I'll agree with what you say regarding righting a capsized one. It was hard on my own, and I am not sure my wife would manage on her own. As for pitchpoling, I don't know. Never happened to me, but I was told its a big risk on a hobie, but not so much on a dart.

I am concerned that they don't go upwind so well, and they tack very slowly, but on the straight they are great fun! I was wondering whether anyone has more experience of hobies and what they think about the new middle size one (twixxy, I think).

Anyway, still open to suggestions. It still sounds like I should be looking at either a cat or the RS Vision, as the only other thing people have suggested is the topper magno, and some have had a bad response to that (particularly the spinnaker).

So, what is it to be. Cat, or RS. And if its a cat, which one?

As for going on the roof, it seems the maximum load for my car is around 75kg, so you are right about the cat being too heavy, as is the RS.Ah well, I suppose its a tow then!

Thanks once again for all the help. I am sure I am being demanding, but hey, I bet there are loads of people out there looking for something similar.

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Only a personal opinion, but I thought the Dart 16 was truly aweful! Heavy sheet loads, dog slow in light winds and tacking/ going upwind? Forget it!
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The laser vago will be available in Oct.

Laser are taking orders and then compiling a demo list giving preference to those who have ordered and paid a deposit.

Ordered one myself as it hits many of the criteria you have.

Would love to hear from a mere mortal who had test sailed one.

Redback you seems to know a lot about the boat. Have you sailed it and if so whats it like.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 05 at 7:25pm

henbroon,

How did you go about choosing one? Did you just see one at the boat show, or something more? And how many do you intend to sail in it?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 05 at 12:09am
No, I have only looked at the boat at the boat show.  I have sailed an awfull lot of different boats in my time and so have just extrapolated from my previous experience.
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Perry

Needed something different, sailed Blaze for 2 seasons and Vortex for 6 months, wanted something with a assy and poss a trapeze, was going to get new assy set up for Vortex or buy a second hand Vario. So as you can see my thought process has been all over the shop this last 6 months.

Then Laser launched the Vago and are doing a deal to people who pay 10% deposit. They will compile a demo list and after demoing it if you dont like it you can have a full refund. But if you decide to go ahead you dont have to pay the balance until 6 months after delivery (so its effectively interest free)  which will be Oct so you dont need to find balance till Apr 06 which would give me loads of time to sell the Blaze and Vortex.

Complicated I know but there is some logic in it believe me.

Sailing will be mostly single handed (provided its as stable as they make out) with the option of taking me mates for a blast now and again.

With that sort of versitility it should tick all the boxes provided its as good on the water as on paper.

Demos start Julyish so I'll keep you posted.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 05 at 9:32pm

Iain,

Sounds reasonable. I'll be very interested when you have tried it. This whole search started when I sailed an RS Feva, which was great fun for me single handed with spinnaker, but lacked the trapeze. However, at the same time, my wife wanted something that she could sail, and is very new to sailing. The Feva suited perfectly right now, but I reckoned that if we got something that we can only sail single-handed, it was a problem. Hence the interest in Vago, RS Vision (and I suppose the Topper magno as well, though it seems to get bad reviews from many people). But then, cats are good fun as well.

Anyway, please do post when you've had a sail. By the way, is the demo a one off chance, or do you get a day of sailing, or what?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote henbroon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Feb 05 at 8:17pm

Perry heres an e-mail I received from one of the sailsmen from laser hope it clarifies a few things

Demo start July apparently.

Thanks Iain

Hi

We recently sent you some information on our New Laser Vago sailing

dinghies. Are you currently looking for a boat or do you already have one?

Can we be of any further help?

The Vago had a fantastic start to the year with the prototype on display at

the London Boatshow in January. Many provisional orders were placed during

the show and the current lead time is October!! Obviously we are trying to

rein in the lead time by increasing the supply so watch this space!

The Vago is now heading off to the Scottish boatshow in Glasgow from 3rd -

6th Feb where the same special package deal is available with the launch

price (Saving you £500.00). By placing a refundable deposit on a boat during

the show you will get the discounted price, get on the waiting list for the

boat and get a priority demonstration sail enabling you to make an educated

decision whether the boat is for you!

For more information on the boat, the packages or the ordering process

please call me on my mobile (3rd-6th Feb) or after the show on my office

line.

Regards

 

****************************

James Tinkler

Laser Product Manager

T. 01327 841602

M. 07951 581006

F. 01327 841601

www.lasersailing.com

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sailorguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 05 at 8:41pm

i looked at the vago at the london boat show in great detail because it was very simlar to what i was looking for. but what i still cant defide is whether its a singlehanded boat with the means to 2-up racing or the other way around. i hope someone out there will have the anwser to this. the only thing i was against was the price as 4 and a half grand is quite a lot of money for us growing teenagers. do you have a budget? eventually i went for the laser 2 although it is a declining class. my brother and i cam sail it in most conditions and the risks of deathrolling downwind in a blow, kept us from an assemetric.



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