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    Posted: 24 Aug 07 at 9:23am

Yes - those 60ft height differences indicate that the GPS did not have a proper fix in 4 dimensions (the fourth is the time signal) and therefore the positions can not be trusted.

 

Blaze 720 - I think you should come and race a 300 again.  You will find that there are many more who have mastered the boat, not just a select few.  This is shown by the extremelt tight tactical racing.

As for the Hoot who knows how quick it would be.  Make it light and low drag is the key as somebody said - but below planing speeds that is not a low drag hull shape, and it sure isn't light (except in the US market!).  Absolute speed it will probably see off all the 10sqm types and the Blaze once the breeze is vaguely up, excepting perhaps a conventional IC, but round the course woul be very interesting - running will be tough with a stayed rig, and handling could be tricky.

We may never know.  Anybody got an idea what the imported cost would be $7000 may not be very much - but then you've got to ship and pay duties?

Oh - personally I could not be bothered with all that wings on wings off crap

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Originally posted by sargesail

it sure isn't light (except in the US market!). 

As a matter of interest, if you define 25lbs lighter than an RS300 as "sure isn't light" then what, apart from an International Moth, would you consider to be light?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote aardvark_issues Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Aug 07 at 11:08am
Originally posted by sargesail

Oh - personally I could not be bothered with all that wings on wings off crap



Then leave them on!
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JimC -

There's plenty of space to knock down the weight of the 300 and its built as a proper hull without the weight savings you can get if you build wings right.  Fot the Hooters moth sylee structures may not be an option - but they could push it down for sure.

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For example the single biggest improvement to the 300 would be a carbon boom - saving a lot of weight.

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Fully agree about the 300 boom - its not in keeping with the rest of the boat IMHO and would be a quick swop-out that many might go for.  We have had a carbon boom for years and have experimented with two carbon sticks recently.  The general view was that while the carbo boom more than earns its keep a carbon mast does not represent equal benefit for the money in relative terms so was not adopted.   The weight saving (of a carbon boom) is worth having but the major benefit we found was in high wind gybing and in very light winds when the reduced weight on the sail allowed the leech to be a bit more open.   The other benefit of a carbon boom is that if it ever does clunk you it hurts less !!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Smight at BBSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 07 at 7:51pm

I met the guy that hit "20" knots on the speed freaks league he seemed in some doubt wheather it was acurate or not but as someone said earlier in the post, the league is just for fun.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Aug 07 at 8:54pm
He is Stuart Brown and you are right it really is a bit of fun but for the pedants out there we are talking about relative reliability not Weymouth Speed Week recording or whatever!

The data supplied by Stuart covers a period of nearly 20 minutes and the records 'altitude' ranges between 576 feet and 518 feet (actually 58 feet) note that his data covered that extended period.   The variation in altitude in the individual line records immediately either side of the highlighted zone is what ? A couple of feet or so ... go on look at the record to be sure.  No speed records are claimed but as a relative measure of a regular guy out there carrying a great bit of kit it's pretty good.  Also note that this was not Stuart gunning for maximum speed outside of racing - it was recorded at a windy open meeting durng a real race when he could not choose the angles and was presumably trying his best to get round a set course as fast as possible.  Bala does not benefit from much of a tide either so no help there either !

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(Oh - and by the way I was in front of him and backing off the speed to stay in control !! - It really was fast - and I don't really give a whatsit how fast you think we were actually going - not as fast as on boards for sure but it felt it !!)   
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Originally posted by sargesail

Yes - those 60ft height differences indicate that the GPS did not have a proper fix in 4 dimensions (the fourth is the time signal) and therefore the positions can not be trusted.



It should be noticed that ALL the record sheets as used by the flying blaze in speed freaks have inconsistencies as to the height.

The other printouts sensibly don't  include elevation, if they did would they also be showing inconsistency?
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Originally posted by Smight at BBSC

I met the guy that hit "20" knots on the speed freaks league he seemed in some doubt wheather it was acurate or not but as someone said earlier in the post, the league is just for fun.



It's only just fun if there are no prizes.


SALES PROMOTION RULES
Introduction
27.3
Promoters are responsible for all aspects and all stages of promotions.
27.4
Promotions should be conducted equitably, promptly and efficiently and should
be seen to deal fairly and honourably with consumers. Promoters should avoid
causing unnecessary disappointment.

Administration
31.1
Promotions should be conducted under proper supervision and adequate
resources should be made available to administer them. Promoters and
intermediaries should not give consumers justifiable grounds for complaint.


Other rules for prize promotions
5.9
Prize promotions should specify before or at the time of entry:
f:
in a competition, ie a game of skill or judgement, the criteria for judging
entries (eg the most apt and original tiebreaker). If the selection of
winning entries is open to subjective interpretation, an independent judge,
or a panel including one member who is independent of the competition’s
promoters and intermediaries, should be appointed. Those appointed to
act as judges should be competent to judge the subject matter of the
competition. The full names of judges should be made available on
request


If the story is mandatory when a Speed Freak application is made then this gets around
some of the issues you could have with point 27.4 and temperamental GPS readings and the potential
spurious entries. But it is still the promoters responsibility to endeavour to run a promotion fairly and legally.





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