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NickA 
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My thoughts exactly - now fullfilled with a V3000! and the kids can double up to sail it too.
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TeamFugu
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 2:43pm |
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One problem about making a boat more tame is that then you don't get on the trap that often. If you think the sailplan on the Swift is too much, there is nothing stopping you from making a smaller rig. Class rules only specify the max sizes. The hull shape is tightly controled but as long as you stay inside the max, the rig is up to you.
No one has made a smaller rig yet. One of the guys did have a sailmaker cut him a smaller pinhead main that he liked quite well. My problem is that where I sail the wind is usually light and high of the water so I usually wish I had a bigger rig. They are a wonderful boat. My first race in mine was my third time sailing it. I had some 505 experience but that was about 20 years ago. |
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Presuming Ed
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 2:57pm |
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ISAF's requirements for a class to gain International status are
here: http://www.sailing.org/regulations/2006_partV.PDF One of the main
requirements (as well as a class structure - rules,
committee etc) is "in the case of International Classes, in at least
six Member National Authorities which are from at least three
continents and meet the following criteria as to the number of boats
per country according to size:LOA Up to 7.6m Boats per country - 20" - it's the same requirement for recognised classes. One thing that International status gives a class is the right to
hold world championships - if a class isn't classified as an
international class, then it's not allowed to hold a worlds. Hence
things like "Intergalactic" champships, or "World's invitational". ISAF
is trying to make sure that being world champion actually means
something - you're don't end up with things like the "Lymington Scow
World Championships" (not that there is such a thing - my invention,
for illustrative purposes). Edited by Presuming Ed |
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TeamFugu
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 3:24pm |
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I don't think ISAF sanctioning is all that important right at this moment. The truth is that the boat is being built in several countries on more than one continent. It will take time for us to get enough boats on the water to qualify but the key thing is that it has started.
The class has existed as such for two years in the US and is growing. Like fine wine, building a new boat and class takes time. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:30pm |
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I was more curious as to whether the IYRU have the right to STOP a class association calling itself International? They aren't calling the boat International, just the organization behind it.
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TeamFugu
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:39pm |
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This seems a bit far reaching to me. We don't say that we are IYRU sanctionned but we are international in scope and size. I don't think they can tell who can or can't use the work international in their name but should be able to stop people from claiming IYRU status when the don't have it and we don't do that. If they do have the right to tell anyone if they can use the word international or not, then get me off this plannet. |
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Dangerousday
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 4:47pm |
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[/QUOTE] Thats just killed any reasons I can't have one on physique grounds I'm pretty much the same build. How typical a build are you for the class? Wondering if it suits larger sailors as its origin is American? My apologies if I'm stereotyping here.
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TeamFugu
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 5:07pm |
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Thats just killed any reasons I can't have one on physique grounds I'm pretty much the same build. How typical a build are you for the class? Wondering if it suits larger sailors as its origin is American? My apologies if I'm stereotyping here. [/QUOTE] Not a problem with the stereotype. We all know Americans are fat. I'm not as fat as the weight would indicate. I'd say that I am probably one of the biggest currently sailing though. I tend to think that the optimum weight will end up being more in the 78 to 82 kg range. I don't think the formula was based so much on weight but average righting moment. There is a little more sail to weight ratio because of the sloop rig being lower to the water than a cat rig would be. This last spring at the NA's I noticed I was one of the last on the wire and one of the first off. I'm not sure exactly why, but I was fast to weather but my boat handling is not up to par so I teabag after the gybe and lose it all. Since we finished on a down wind leg, I took quite a hit there. I still had a great time sailing the boat. I plan to spend more time skate skiing this winter and maybe some frostbiting to stay in shape and bring my skill up a bit. The nice thing is that even though I think a 80kg person will be faster, a 100kg person is not guaranteed to come in last. The weight range seems to be a bit wider than some of the other boats. |
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yellowhammer
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 5:44pm |
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Dare I, dare I ... oh what the hell ... a 3000 can be a stepping stone, 13.5 m assy, 54 kg hull for the new V3000, and quite a few of our members have progressed into 700s and MPSs. At 74 kg I have no difficulty. Obviously it's not a 'singlehanded class', although we do allow singlehanding at opens (not the Nats). You should have seen Nick A cruise through the fleet in the last race at the Nats, singlehanding his brand new V3000 for fun (DSQ). Love the Swift ... looks a thing of real beauty ... and expensive. What's the price tag? PS, 3000s, let's not turn this into another PR thread or 3000 single-handing debate ... it's just a one off comment!!! |
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TeamFugu
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Posted: 13 Oct 06 at 5:52pm |
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Currently I don't know of any builders building a ready to sail boat. Some tried but did not get enough orders to stay with it. You can build one for something less than $10,000 US. You can spend more by buying more parts used on other classes that fit and you can spend a little less by doing more and more of your own work. Most of the money is in the rigging and sails though. It is true it is not a cheep entry level boat but it was never intended to be one.
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