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    Posted: 24 Jul 06 at 12:23pm

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  • Not usable in restricted waters

    • But that's true of ANY high performance boat

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  • Not as tactical - Making a tack costs a huge amount of time so they tend to tack out to the lay line and come back to the mark with little regard for wind shifts etc

    • Disagree totally. Tacking is not as quick as a dinghy. However, you still need to tack on shifts if you are going to lead the pack. You still need to be tactically aware. The days of banging the corners are long gone, especially true with the modern generation of cats. The tactics played out in the F18 and T fleets are absolutely awesome to watch if you are at all knowledgeable about what is happening. (And all at 15 knots plus)
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    I'm sure the Cat v's Dinghy tactics thing has been done before on this site. If I remember rightly, the conclusion reached was that the faster you go, the higher boat speed comes as a %, the lower taking every tactical oppotunity. Deciding whether to tack or not, as one example of tactics, presumebly stays the same, but actually putting the tack in is more likely to happen in a small dinghy, as it is quicker, and you can always tack back if you get it wrong, without loosing too much, if anything.

    Writing that makes me think that getting the tactics right is probebly more important in a cat, as you pay more for going wrong.
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    I can see the cat vs dinghy debate is quite complex. However returning to my other question, which do you think is better the Dart16/18 or the Hobie cat 16/18. I'd appreciate the pros and cons of each. Thanks.
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    Dart 16 - modern, simple, almost ding proof

    Dart 18 - slightly less modern, simple, plentiful racing/spares, GRP easily repaired

    Hobie 16 - old design, heavy (for size), simple, plentiful

    Hobie 18 - slightly less modern than D16, heavy (for size), has boards so is not as simple as other 3, almost bulletproof GRP, not much OD racing
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    Posts: 31     		Post Options Post Options   Quote lostatsea Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jul 06 at 7:03pm
    Thanks for that. Looks like the Dart 16 or 18 is the better bet. There doesn't seem to be as many cheap Dart 16's around as 18's, presumably  because the 16 is newer it seems to be a lot more expensive. Any areas that we should be look at in extra detail when looking to purchase one of these. Also we are trying to get the oppertuninty to try them out somewhere local (Essex area), anyone know of anywhere around this are that you can do a RYA cat course or at least a day trial.
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    Might be worth asking around at your local club in case someone wants a crew. Arrive & ask more than an hour before the race, though.
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    It seamed to me that they were suggesting that the dart16 might be dull not cat sailind. I enjoy both but sail dinghys due to the hassle of moving cat around behind a car.
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    Looks like I am down to the Dart 16 / Dart 18 or a Dinghy. Hopefully I will shortly be able to try one of these two catamarans  to give me an idea if I enjoy sailing them. Any  ideas what dinghy might be most suitable if I could possibly do a comparison to see which I most enjoy. The trouble seems to be that most of the exciting light weight dinghies also appear to be for light weight crews (which unfortunately I'm not!!). Either that or I'm told they are very difficult to sail and not always all that robust either.
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    Originally posted by Jalani

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  • Not usable in restricted waters

    • But that's true of ANY high performance boat

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  • Not as tactical - Making a tack costs a huge amount of time so they tend to tack out to the lay line and come back to the mark with little regard for wind shifts etc

    • Disagree totally. Tacking is not as quick as a dinghy. However, you still need to tack on shifts if you are going to lead the pack. You still need to be tactically aware. The days of banging the corners are long gone, especially true with the modern generation of cats. The tactics played out in the F18 and T fleets are absolutely awesome to watch if you are at all knowledgeable about what is happening. (And all at 15 knots plus)



    What do you feel has changed with "the modern generation of cats" and why has this changed the tactical aspects???
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