Doublehander for 2 lightweights

There's one on the class website for £1400 but you do need a fair bit of room to sail it

Originally posted by Villan Assymetric Spinni (but we could use a symetric if we had too) Center main preferable (or easily converted) Under £1500 Together we weigh aprox. 120 kg.

Sorry, but you have actually just described a '97 rules Cherub. Single wire, assymetric kite, centre main, etc.

120kg so about 18-19stone. That is spot on for a Cherub. you will fly!

£1500 would get you a very nice and well sorted boat, if you can find one. Boats in this price range are under huge demand ATM.

Sailing a '97 rules boat isn't going to leave you behind the rest of the fleet. The majority of the boats still race under '97 rules, so there will be loads of competition for you.

As you become more confident you may want to upgrade to twin-trapeze. This is simply a case of attaching another trapeze line to the mast. Or even eventually upgrading to bigger sails. But that's completely up to you.

How old are you? If your older than about 12 you will feel very left out in the 29er fleet!

The 405's a bit of a kid's boat really - not much power and surprisingly expensive.

As for the old Buzz, 29er, laser 3k etc debate...

29er - best boat by a margin but most expensive, wobbly and most of the competition is against well funded, super fit teenagers and they're usually around £4k.

Buzz - bit big but stable; not seen one for < £2k.

3k - bit small and maybe under powered, but the only one that's truly singlehandable.  But still £2k - £5k.

or ... if you're skint....

Laser 2 - cheap as chips, maintenance free, lasts forever, a blast on a beam reach in a blow and if you can handle a spinny with a pole, the "regatta" model feels remarkably quick downwind too (partly due to the bow spray!).

Fireball - indeed.  Been here forever, never seems to die. But nice new ones are pricey and old wooden ones need lots of TLC.

Old cherub - if you want to spend more time in the garage and boat park than on the water, but look really, really cool doing it .....

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Yeah stay clear of development classes and stick in a good one design like the 420 or 29er. The buzz is fun but actually a heavy boat to lug around and not many about.

'teenager single trap ODs  are way fun to sail and at least you know at club level it isn't your funding or latest 'go faster' bits you didn't buy which stand in the way of the learning curve and those wins ahead of you!

Having seen many cherubs the 29er is faster, less tippy and easier to rig and sail out the box and will keep it's resale value unlike any development class boat -once new changes come in--the sea bed is the limit.

Most of all Spend your time on the water having fun with a parts bin and sails which are affordable and up to date!





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Originally posted by damp_freddie it isn't your funding or latest 'go faster' bits you didn't buy which stand in the way of the learning curve and those wins ahead of you!

A crap excuse used by crap sailors! Calculations have shown it costs me alot less to sail a Cherub than a one design.

Originally posted by damp_freddie Having seen many cherubs the 29er is faster, less tippy and easier to rig and sail out the box and will keep it's resale value unlike any development class boat -once new changes come in--the sea bed is the limit.

Rubbish!

Cherub's will easily pace a 29er. And will also loose alot less value, as a 10yr old Cherub will have lost all the value it's ever going to already.