New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: The World's best race boat
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

The World's best race boat

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345>
Author
Bumble View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 05
Location: Taiwan
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 302
Post Options Post Options   Quote Bumble Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: The World's best race boat
    Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 4:03pm
Originally posted by Offshoretiger

......... Seems to me that last point is then one evry class is looking for. Touch it and your hooked........

l

That is what everyone says about their class - sailing is addictive.

Most posts go like this:

I would just like to say how stupid this best/worst debate is and how I hate the SMOD development arguments which are futile because evryone knows SMODs are the best.

With all that in mind, I feel for no given/justifyable reason that -insert your class name here- is by far the best because, after you touch it once, you are hooked.

Back to Top
Offshoretiger View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king
Avatar

Joined: 12 Jan 05
Location: Scotland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 179
Post Options Post Options   Quote Offshoretiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 3:31pm

Here is what SA wrote about the I14 when they awarded it the best race boat category. Seems to me that last point is then one evry class is looking for. Touch it and your hooked........

International 14 dinghy class today seems like a great fix for fast boat blues.  The class is solid, the competition can be found in many places, including Japan and Hawaii, the class managed to control the boat’s development while allowing its member to play with the foiling systems that allowed the crews to try different options with the rig and sails.  It seems to be that everyone who touches this dinghy gets really excited about racing it and that puts it on top of our list.

...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!......
Back to Top
tack'ho View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 08 Feb 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1100
Post Options Post Options   Quote tack'ho Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by Wave Rider

Well Im not certain about THE best but the Topper has done very well considering it is generally childrens first boat they learn to sail in and the fleet is now 250+  who race competitively and the top end of the fleet are awesome sailors....even though they have the most experience in a Topper they are so good that they can jump in pretty much anything and you see them performaing well after a bit of practice.

Excellent point hidden in here, the qulity of a boat is entriely dependant on the sailors and the support, the topper is not a great boat measured on weight/performance/etc criteria but alot of time and money put into from a lot of people/organsisations makes in a fanatastic class (for kids), to see this at a lower level the Blaze has be rescued by some really keen focused folk in their class assoc.  Its people what counts ya know!

I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
Back to Top
NeilP View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 23 Nov 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 271
Post Options Post Options   Quote NeilP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 1:46pm

This whole debate shows up the futility of the best/worst debate. Freddie may be right - it may be the 505, for Freddie. For me, I'll live with the rude comments of ignorant people, I'll live with the logistical nightmare of getting the boat under cover to work on it, and I'll live with not having fleet racing at my club and small fleets at Opens. Why? Because NOTHING feels like an FD! Sure there are faster boats, and boats with bigger fleets (even one or two faster boats with bigger fleets!) but no other boat gives me the same feeling.

If there was a "best", surely everyone would sail that? Best for me is not the same as best for Freddie, but both our opinions are valid. I guess we would use different criteria, so that might lead to another thread: How do we choose the classes we sail? What is important and what is completely irrelevant?

Neil

No FD? No Comment!
Back to Top
damp_freddie View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 20 Oct 05
Location: Aruba
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 339
Post Options Post Options   Quote damp_freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 9:47am

Maybe it is indeed the 505. Perhaps never having been an olympic boat has made this a stronger class (FD, 49er, Firefly?)

 

Cost is the draw back IMHO.

 

otherwise the humble laser

Back to Top
Wave Rider View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 27 Oct 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 909
Post Options Post Options   Quote Wave Rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 6:44pm

Well Im not certain about THE best but the Topper has done very well considering it is generally childrens first boat they learn to sail in and the fleet is now 250+  who race competitively and the top end of the fleet are awesome sailors....even though they have the most experience in a Topper they are so good that they can jump in pretty much anything and you see them performaing well after a bit of practice.

           -[Franko]-
Chew Valley Lake Sailing Club
           RS600 933
Back to Top
mike ellis View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 30 Dec 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2339
Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 4:14pm
i think the "best" racing boat will be helped greatly by how much support its circuit gets from its class association. an association that tries to advertise the class, is welcoming and helpful and is intouch with older sailors will do well. i think rs have gone too far though: there should be a bigger gap between class associaton and builders. it slows down development and the rs circuit seems to be a very commercial thing. my opinion only.
600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318
Back to Top
charlie w View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: 31 Oct 05
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 84
Post Options Post Options   Quote charlie w Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 12:16pm

Yup - sorry all, I hadn't intended my comments to end up as a development vs smod thing.  There are clearly good and bad on each side of the equation.

My definition of the word "race" was about a boat being able to perform across the wind-range.  At all points of sailing.  And a boat that challenges crews both tactically and on straight line speed.

To be fair, most SMOD designs (my opinion only, please note...!) tend to have a hole in their performance somewhere.  So if you take the 29er - clearly the light wind performance isn't the same as that of heavier breeze - same as a 420. 

Look at a 49er/musto skiff/700 and the like, and you see capsizes allowed for in the handicap..!

That to me is why fireballs/505's and FD's are more thoroughbred performers - usually a result of a more flexible / adjustable rig, and several decades of development.

Also, SMODs can't have it both ways.  Their marketing always alludes to....bang for buck...., so it does stand to reason that for greater cost you will probably get more thoroughbred kit.

Appreciate that this is my view only...!

CW

 

 

Quality never goes out of fashion.
Back to Top
NeilP View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 23 Nov 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 271
Post Options Post Options   Quote NeilP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 06 at 9:18am


I think the point of the awards was to give credit where something good was going on last year. I dont think I even heard of an FD event last year, let alone saw a boat...

Jamie's right - just cos you didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. In FD world, the same something good goes on year after year. We get to sail a fast, thoroughbred, forgiving boat that also happens to be stunning to look at, in the company of like-minded souls who can see through the SMOD hype. All over Europe there are people who've NEVER seen an RS of any description! Imagine that! Obviously that means that the entire RS fleet is a figment of our collective imagination.

The best/worst debate is at best pointless and at worst puerile and insulting. It is worth thinking about why some classes seem to inspire lifelong loyalty and affection, while others are regarded by all who sail them as "this year's thing" and are dropped as soon as "next year's thing" comes along. Discuss....

No FD? No Comment!
Back to Top
Offshoretiger View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king
Avatar

Joined: 12 Jan 05
Location: Scotland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 179
Post Options Post Options   Quote Offshoretiger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 06 at 7:31pm

Originally posted by aardvark_issues

I think the point of the awards was to give credit where something good was going on last year. I dont think I even heard of an FD event last year, let alone saw a boat... Fireball worlds were pretty special, so they could have been in the running mind....

Well given that SA is an American site and there were no USA boats at the fireball worlds it makes it kind of unlikely the fireball would of won.

In fact most of the sailors Ive spoken to in the USA have hardly herd of the Fireball although they have all herd of the FD and 5o5.

And as somone said above, anything that can get Americans exited about dinghy sailing has to be doing things right



Edited by Offshoretiger
...yesterday I couldnt spell enginner...now I are one!......
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy