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    Posted: 27 Feb 06 at 9:48am

Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by tack'ho

anybody know what the laser radial one was? and how much it has changed over the last 5 years?


I do not believe any of the Laser handicaps have changed at all in the last 5 years. There have been murmerings that the handicap may need to be altered because of the new controls until several people said that these don't actually make a difference in performance they just make the boat easier to sail.

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Makes sense, I was wondering whether it becoming the womens Olympic boat would make a difference.  Of course they all sail fleet racing so would have no effect on the handicaps

At the risk of starting another bun fight, if a boat is easier to sail to its maximum potential and the PY figures are based on the avaerage performance of the boat over the course of a season throughout the country, you would expect to see a slight decrese in the handicap number.  As a greater number of people will sailing the boat closer to its max potentila for more of the time.
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.  As a greater number of people will sailing the boat closer to its max potentila for more of the time.

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max potentila? I think there's one of them growing in my garden....Never seen a Laser sailing by it though!
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Oh its like a cross between a potato and a chinchilla.  Difficult to catch and a little furry but makes nice chips!
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the laser handicaps have changed.  due to rig changes the 4.7 went from 1175 to 1177 last year (not a big change i know but hey)
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Just a quick question on PYs...

What boats have good PYs & which have bad?

Also if the sailors were of equal skill what does everyone think the race order would generally be out of a: RS300, RS200, Laser, Radial, 29er, 49er, Vareo, Blaze in light, medium & heavy wind (after PY corrections)?

 
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At a very simple level and if you have enough dosh for a new, or nearly new, boat look for a boat that has undergone big changes in rig or construction, but is preferably a one design. A class where you either have a newish boat or don't bother turning up at open meetings if winning is your intention.

This highlights the Phantom (Carbon rig, new competetive FS hulls)

GP14 (less so, but the new FS hulls are mignificantly faster than most wooden ones and all early glass ones)

Solo

Brand new Osprey

Fireball

Any of those have the potential to be very good pothunters boats, there are undoubtedly others!

As for boats to avoid for pure 100% handicap racing only i'd suggest the Enterprise and the Lark, possibly the Scorpion too, have among the least favourable handicaps these days as neither has changed significantly for decades. As i said earlier in the thread these are boats that could do with a PY boost rather than a trimming of everyone else's number.

For class racing of course none of this is a problem, and the three classes with the "least favourable" handicap in my opinion all have a strong circuit and well attended championships.



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Originally posted by John Wilson

in light, medium & heavy wind


You can't take waves out of the equation - makes a big difference. To a good extent every dog has its day. A good Enterprise, for instance, is a hard boat to beat in light shifty inland conditions. Oh and how gusty it is too, that has a big effect. You don't want to be in a trapeze boat if our bouncing out anbd in off the wire all race. All that's why its not really practical to have adjustments for different condtions - just too many variables.

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Originally posted by Paramedic

As for boats to avoid for pure 100% handicap racing only i'd suggest the Enterprise and the Lark, possibly the Scorpion too, have among the least favourable handicaps these days as neither has changed significantly for decades. As i said earlier in the thread these are boats that could do with a PY boost rather than a trimming of everyone else's number.



I would disagree with the Scorpion comment as we have a Scorp at my club that can give the new Phantoms a run for their money!

The reason the Scorp handicap has not changed is probably because the boat has not significantly changed over the years (since the introduction of the raking rig). You will always get variations in sails and masts but the boat as a whole is pretty much unchanged. In fact at the last nats I went to there was a very old boat  (25/30 years if memory serves) getting well in to the top end of the fleet.

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the topaz and taz have an amazing handicap for the sail area weight and turn of speed you can get on them with the right crew. boats like these have favourable handicaps to get people to race them but these ratings don't change because the people who race them are usually not of a high standard
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cos they're sunsail boats
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