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    Posted: 23 Dec 05 at 7:09pm

I'm not the one saying I'm going to make a 4tonner as fast an Int.14 !!!

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possibly as fast and isnt that what you try, emphasis on try to do with cherubs??
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Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

Oh arent cherubs those pathetically small boats wit miniscule rigs? If u want a fast boat get something else!! If they were any slower they would get overtaken by wayfarers



when was the last time you saw a cherub?  I hope for your sake you are just throwing a tantrum and dont actualy believe that...
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There is more chance of your 4tonner growing some big flapping wings and flying to the moon than there is of a 4tonner being faster than an Int.14. Cherub sailors have enough grey matter to realise that's not possible.

(p.s. all views I express are mine and only mine, and do not represent the views of the Cherub class as a whole)

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Oh no sum1 is upset.  
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I would be if I wasn't laughing so hard at your "flying 4000"
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Old Codgers view here.  The 4000 is a pretty nice boat, not so much of a handfull that you can't go out in a blow and yet able to show an 800 around a course in the light stuff.

Boat design is all compromise, the hull is tough but heavy, take 30kilos off and it would be much faster but fragile or make it from carbon and expensive.  But a carbon rig would make the boat a lot nicer at not too big a price hike. 

I know another even cheaper mod - extend the racks, it wouldn't make it much faster but it'd certainly look the part and be more comfortable for heavyweights such as myself.  Certainly the corrector wieghts should be discarded (they make it hardwork for lightweights to pull the boat back to the dinghy park) - just give them more rack instead!

Like many SMODs the boat could do with more development.  Just a little lighter hull, carbon rig, bigger kite and it would retain its niche in the market but have a sub 900 PY.  But all the time it remains as popular as it is we'd better not tamper - but the class association needs to be ready to act when it goes into decline. 

It should never go twin trapeze that would put it into another niche which is already populated by some excellent boats.  At the moment it doesn't have a competitor the Vago and Buzz are too slow to "apparent wind" and I suspect the RS500 will also be in that bracket.  Other single trap boats are conventional hull and spinnaker.  Long live the 4000.

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Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

Oh arent cherubs those pathetically small boats wit miniscule rigs? If u want a fast boat get something else!! If they were any slower they would get overtaken by wayfarers

hav u ever sailed a cherub???.........if u think a 4000 is fast then dream on is all i can say....

i sail a 4TONNER!! and am still bored in a f6 .......would sail a cherub more If i could get my helm into one......

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Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

I wish my 4 tonner was an RS800.

I agree with others here. You need to try a 14



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Originally posted by BBSCFaithfull

Oh arent cherubs those pathetically small boats wit miniscule rigs? If u want a fast boat get something else!! If they were any slower they would get overtaken by wayfarers

I'm suprised no-one has mentioned it yet but the Cherub has 15.5sqm upwind sail area compared to the 4Ks roughly 14sqm, and the cherub can carry a 21sqm kite compared to the 4Ks 17 sqm kite. The Cherub's lighter too and can't remember but think she still has a slower PY number, so is a bit of a bandit on the handicap too. Not saying the 4K is a bad boat, in fact I think the opposite, she's a brilliant boat but modifying her greatly would spoil the class. If you want a development boat, fast 14s are going for 6 grandish, which will probably be much cheaper than modifying a 4000 to try to get close to a 14

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