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    Posted: 05 Oct 05 at 9:31pm
I wouldnt say unpopular... just too spread out. Theres such a massive range of similar single trap boats around, and people moving from one fad to the next  so huge fleets will never build up.
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Have you noticed how unpopular single trapeze dinghies are these days?  Only the Fireball in top 10 nationals attendance, then L4000, then the Osprey with a mighty 28 (not counting cats or youth boats).  RS seem to have made the idea of a single dangler totally unfashionable - is this because it encourages 'strange' sized people to win? 
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Originally posted by NickA

 If only the 505 or fireball had gone asymetric.

The Fireball did! It was loads quicker downwind apparently, but obviously could not run or tight reach like a conventional boat, and it was just too big a jump to completely change the way the boats raced.  I dare say if it had gone assymm the class would be dead now, as let's face it a Fireball is always going to be a bit rubbish as an assym compared to an 800 or similar.

The test boat is still about (rigged conventionally again) and was at Abersoch 2004.  It is wood, although it looks almost identical to a white Winder and is called "Plug" (no prizes for guessing what it was used for) and you can see the filled in holes in the bulkhead and foredeck where the pole lived.  I've never seen pix of it sailing as an asymm though, would be great to see.
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I must admit, though ive never sailed one I really like the B14. Theres definantly something cool about them, and thats even before they take off at breathtaking speed for a non-trap boat.

I have no idea what their nationals entries etc are like but they dont seem to be too popular. Cant understand why...
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Can't see much point in making major changes to old classes.   Look around and you will find the boats you want to create already out there.  The B14 is well engineered,  very light, has a carbon mast and nearly 50 m2 of mylar sails from any sail maker.  It is competitive with a wide crew weight range.  Perhaps its just too difficult to do well in this class for it to be popular and get mass appeal ?
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It's the perrenial problem of forcing people to upgrade to stay comptative. How many 49ers had unfortunate incidents with rev5 masts to get rev9 because of the performance benefit? . Take something like a self tacking jib, could this be accomodated by the existing hull? I think a major make over is better than a half hearted one. How are 4000 sales at the moment as that could ultimately drive Laser into action? You have to be careful not alienate your existing fleet, but if that fleet only wants to spend 2-3k on a boat they're never going to buy new.

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What do you think Laser's reaction would be if the CA approached them with a wish-list of mods to the 4000 to modernise/improve it?
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Oops, forgot DL.

As for RMW, I think it's in the pipeline...... It's just a really long pipe!
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3 builders who will make you one! DL boats will do one, but the suitability makes a flat pack one more viable, what happened to RMW are they still planning an off the shelf cherub?
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Originally posted by Guest#260

er... well despite my earlier post I don't think we need any more classes.

What we need is the the real ale drinking carbon fiber loving epoxy sniffing Cherub clan to realise that if they could get Winder to do for the Cherub what he has done for the Fireball & Merlin it would be great.

I expect a bit of stick for this post of course ... but I think the Cherub would be ideal with the right builder to become a mainstream class.

Rick

Your right, this has been mentioned before and every time it meets the same reply.

The cherubs have atleast two builders who will make you an off the shelf cherub. They are Bloodaxe Boats and Aardvark Technologies!

Please visit:
http://www.aardvarkracing.co.uk/avt3/index.php?option =com_phpshop&page=shop.browse&category_id=cd8d70c738 bfc36661540b2ab6451932&option=com_phpshop&Itemid=1

http://home.freeuk.net/axeman66/cherub.htm
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